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#1147257 - 12/21/18 04:57 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
FD, the quite obvious contradiction in your speel is that you spout "equality of opinion" ("look at Mike, he thinks his opinion is better") and then in your next breath infer that Rob is the only really truly, honest one and that basically, anyone who says "I like that" is not being honest. This seems especially true when there are mixed opinions in threads that Rob has commented on. Rob's opinion is truer than that of those who differ with him. Can you see that glaring contradiction in the pattern of your comments? You say we are all entitled to an opinion, and they're all equal, in one breath, then say that some opinions are truer than others in your very next breath.

BTW, do you notice Rob has stayed out of this talk? Do you think he appreciated how you kept baiting him to come back in Travis' thread a couple weeks ago?

And if you think anybody read you say "it's because it's about the people isn't it?" didn't have a good laugh there, well.. you yourself can't be straight faced while you say that, can you? Okay, it's a little clever that you are paraphrasing Brian..but why don't you expand on that LOL--as if that's how you really feel, when the fact is that if ANYONE would confront you, you'd just as quickly and knee-jerkingly go off on them, too, telling them what you "really felt about them" --like some virtual demon that has possessed a body known as FD.

Hmmm..cinematic demons who possess bodies? Unless you perform the correct ritual, that demon will slip into and possess someone else..Internet trolls similarly need to change their alias to 'stay alive'..

Curiously enough, that cinematic version of demons that possess bodies--they have one other thing in common with internet trolls. Both guard their real name with their life, for you can't get rid of a demon (who's possessing a body) unless you call it by it's real name. This is fascinating parallel to me. I predict that there will be some future movie where the devil possesses someone, and then they, like..do their damage on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. A comedy, of course. smile

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Plenty of people know my real name. You know what happens when people get to close on forums? It turns into well, what we got

Maybe the era of critiques and working on craft is gone, if so, social media will do the same exact thing this does.



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#1147258 - 12/21/18 04:58 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
GOOD LORD WHAT IS THIS?

Man, I started this thread just because people write a lot of angry, bitter, dour and depressing songs and I suggested if people want more attention to not do that QUITE so much! Don't know when this weird part of this thread ran off the rails but WOW!!!! That is strange.

Well, I still believe what I did from the beginning and more so now. Has really nothing to do with the Beatles or blues or anything. Just a darker tone in a lot of songs In my opinion there is enough anger and bitterness in real life that we don't need it ALWAYS in music as well.

But I will say this on the blues and country music. There most certainly IS a direct component from the blues into country music's development, and one of my distant relatives did it. My Grandmother's second cousin was Jimmie Rodgers. Jimmie was a singer of folk and old blues songs (Negro Spirituals) who came into National prominence in 1926 on an album called "THE BRISTOL SESSIONS" where he was featured with other singers, most notably Mother Maybelle Carter and the Carter family. The record sold around 4 million copies in a very depressed time. But most experts credit that album with the beginning of modern country music.

It brought together traditional music that had not been recorded, from the mountain elements of bluegrass, folk and story telling, and blues and African music from the Mississippi Delta.

So yes, there is definiatly a blues component in country music, although now everything has entered into the equation. But I know it is there because members of MY FAMILY brought it there. So I shoulder the blame for everything.

So there. End of rant. This is a pretty funny thread.

Happy holidays to all of you.
MAB


Yes. Everything fuses too, and with blues, most American music fused FROM blues, not with it.





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#1147259 - 12/21/18 05:22 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Um, Well,
While musical influences can come from anywhere I don't remember Jimmy Rogers singing any such songs even remotely influenced by the Blues. Three that I seem to remember were WAITING FOR A TRAIN, T FOR THELMA, and IN THE JAILHOUSE NOW. Not sure but maybe also MULE SKINNER BLUES. Don't believe the Carter Family did anything that resembled the Blues either. And so it goes.


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#1147260 - 12/21/18 05:28 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Um, Well,
While musical influences can come from anywhere I don't remember Jimmy Rogers singing any such songs even remotely influenced by the Blues. Three that I seem to remember were WAITING FOR A TRAIN, T FOR THELMA, and IN THE JAILHOUSE NOW. Not sure but maybe also MULE SKINNER BLUES. Don't believe the Carter Family did anything that resembled the Blues either. And so it goes.


Think you're looking for the wrong clues Ray. Its not going to say, this is a number that derives from the blues, it IS blues. Country surely has its own identity, but you cant play any music that doesnt link to the blues. Anybody who bends a note, or sings a flatted third or slides is singing/playing the blues

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#1147261 - 12/21/18 05:30 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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#1147726 - 01/07/19 06:26 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Late to get in on this conversation. I will just say, Thank's Marc. I appreciate your thoughts on this. I tend to agree with you on the positive tone being more attractive. At least for me, it is.
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Joanne

#1150750 - 02/07/19 02:42 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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I am not cerebral at all musically. I hear cover songs from artists that sound like complete originals in their hands. Like Manfred Mann's Earth Band"s Blinded By The Lights. Which was a Bruce Springsteen song.
Are their members here that turn covers that are not faithfull renditions?
Songs like that can be the most nteresting and telling.

#1150757 - 02/07/19 12:26 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: R&M]  
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Originally Posted by R&M
I am not cerebral at all musically. I hear cover songs from artists that sound like complete originals in their hands. Like Manfred Mann's Earth Band"s Blinded By The Lights. Which was a Bruce Springsteen song.
Are their members here that turn covers that are not faithfull renditions?
Songs like that can be the most nteresting and telling.


For me covering a song should be different. Especially if you know you will never top the original. Just do it your own way. Many people will think because it doesnt sound like the original, that its not good or you didnt do it right, but they are biased. its very hard to get away from the original.

Real art is taking the song and putting your own twist. If you dont think you can do it, change the song.

At least thats my feeling.

Mannfred Mann totally blew away Bruces original of Blinded, I mean way above it, but he wrote it. And Manfred Mann are no Springsteen and The Estreet Band

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#1150794 - 02/08/19 08:04 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Almost 23K people have read this post. Cool eh?

That Manfred Mann song was part of my childhood burned into my brain even though I still hear "wrapped up like a douche" over "duece" but I digress.


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