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#1147051 - 12/13/18 06:25 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Fd

You're causing talented contributors not to share their thoughts here because of your bellicose need to set people in their place. Not talking about me.

In one case you have dissuaded a contributor whose posts are much more beneficial than any of yours. It's truly the loss of an asset.

As a critic, you are only some guy with his opinion,
You are not a producer who can rearrange a song and put it on a real album or even get it heard. Never have been. Why should someone here be more than casually concerned with what you think?

As for Robert....you and I aren't going to expand this to Robert.

Ease up on people.


#1147069 - 12/14/18 11:03 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Fd

You're causing talented contributors not to share their thoughts here because of your bellicose need to set people in their place. Not talking about me.

In one case you have dissuaded a contributor whose posts are much more beneficial than any of yours. It's truly the loss of an asset.

As a critic, you are only some guy with his opinion,
You are not a producer who can rearrange a song and put it on a real album or even get it heard. Never have been. Why should someone here be more than casually concerned with what you think?

As for Robert....you and I aren't going to expand this to Robert.

Ease up on people.



Cheyenne is no angel and your willingness to let her attitude and comments slide is revealing...your alter ego?

No im not a critic, not sure what a qualified critic is, but next time you post a song, say "im posting this for only positive comments" "I don't want to learn anything"

And if I want to expand it to Robert, ill expand it to Robert

I don't see what the point of posting a song if not for feedback, positive or negative. Do u think anybody is going to say "this is the greatest song I ever heard"

And I don't have to ease up on people, I'm fair and most of all, genuine. The people who tell everybody everything is great are lying, and have no credibility. If your goal is unconditional love,
well maybe this is how ya do it then.

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#1147070 - 12/14/18 11:35 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
her
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Fd

You're causing talented contributors not to share their thoughts here because of your bellicose need to set people in their place. Not talking about me.

In one case you have dissuaded a contributor whose posts are much more beneficial than any of yours. It's truly the loss of an asset.

As a critic, you are only some guy with his opinion,
You are not a producer who can rearrange a song and put it on a real album or even get it heard. Never have been. Why should someone here be more than casually concerned with what you think?

As for Robert....you and I aren't going to expand this to Robert.

Ease up on people.



Cheyenne is no angel and your willingness to let her attitude and comments slide is revealing...your alter ego?

.


"Your alter ego"...? "Unconditional love"...?

That's wrongheaded thinking and somewhat silly, pointless and crazy. And not uncharacteristic of you and your scattered insults.
You like the truth?...you are making this forum lesser than it would be if you weren't here. The people that you are causing to withdraw are actually beneficial.
I don't see you constructively posting many songs. Mostly I see you debating and arguing all manner of this and that. Most of that, if not all of it makes no one a better songwriter. It just makes you happy to do so.

It's not my site. If the admins allow it, then they allow it. But you should ease up on people here.



#1147071 - 12/14/18 12:08 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
her
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Fd

You're causing talented contributors not to share their thoughts here because of your bellicose need to set people in their place. Not talking about me.

In one case you have dissuaded a contributor whose posts are much more beneficial than any of yours. It's truly the loss of an asset.

As a critic, you are only some guy with his opinion,
You are not a producer who can rearrange a song and put it on a real album or even get it heard. Never have been. Why should someone here be more than casually concerned with what you think?

As for Robert....you and I aren't going to expand this to Robert.

Ease up on people.



Cheyenne is no angel and your willingness to let her attitude and comments slide is revealing...your alter ego?

.


"Your alter ego"...? "Unconditional love"...?

That's wrongheaded thinking and somewhat silly, pointless and crazy. And not uncharacteristic of you and your scattered insults.
You like the truth?...you are making this forum lesser than it would be if you weren't here. The people that you are causing to withdraw are actually beneficial.
I don't see you constructively posting many songs. Mostly I see you debating and arguing all manner of this and that. Most of that, if not all of it makes no one a better songwriter. It just makes you happy to do so.

It's not my site. If the admins allow it, then they allow it. But you should ease up on people here.




Stop talking for other people. Nobody will cry if you leave either. Nobody is too important aside some of the long standing regulars.

Remember Mike Zaneski told Couchgrouch everybody would like him to go away.

If i go to your song and critique it, you will attack me, and pretend like no weakness exists.

Im not sure what the purpose of posting a song is, but a hack like you is never going to tell me what to do.

Ill test your theory however, let me slip away for a while and see how great the forum becomes.

Ill be back to sock it to ya when your theory falls where it belongs

#1147075 - 12/14/18 01:16 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
her
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Fd

You're causing talented contributors not to share their thoughts here because of your bellicose need to set people in their place. Not talking about me.

In one case you have dissuaded a contributor whose posts are much more beneficial than any of yours. It's truly the loss of an asset.

As a critic, you are only some guy with his opinion,
You are not a producer who can rearrange a song and put it on a real album or even get it heard. Never have been. Why should someone here be more than casually concerned with what you think?

As for Robert....you and I aren't going to expand this to Robert.

Ease up on people.



Cheyenne is no angel and your willingness to let her attitude and comments slide is revealing...your alter ego?

.


"Your alter ego"...? "Unconditional love"...?

That's wrongheaded thinking and somewhat silly, pointless and crazy. And not uncharacteristic of you and your scattered insults.
You like the truth?...you are making this forum lesser than it would be if you weren't here. The people that you are causing to withdraw are actually beneficial.
I don't see you constructively posting many songs. Mostly I see you debating and arguing all manner of this and that. Most of that, if not all of it makes no one a better songwriter. It just makes you happy to do so.

It's not my site. If the admins allow it, then they allow it. But you should ease up on people here.




Stop talking for other people. Nobody will cry if you leave either. Nobody is too important aside some of the long standing regulars.

Remember Mike Zaneski told Couchgrouch everybody would like him to go away.

If i go to your song and critique it, you will attack me, and pretend like no weakness exists.

Im not sure what the purpose of posting a song is, but a hack like you is never going to tell me what to do.

Ill test your theory however, let me slip away for a while and see how great the forum becomes.

Ill be back to sock it to ya when your theory falls where it belongs






Now there is some hog wash.

Just like when you told me that I put up run on sentences and I went out and found some info that proved that they weren't. In the face of that, you still wouldn't gracefully come off of it.

I think that you do not know much about what you constantly expound about. I think that it's just emotion based with you. I think that taking your comments seriously would be a bad mistake. Blind leading the blind kind of thing.

I'm not the admin. If it's alright with them that you rattle on here, then rattle on. But the sad truth is that people who were freely sharing some very good thoughts have stopped primarily because you and your school-girl insults and argumentative nature make it more trouble than it's worth. I suppose that's a win in your mind.

Good evening.

#1147100 - 12/15/18 11:41 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Somebody emailed me. First off, do tell who left because of me, otherwise we'll call you a liar.

Secondly. have you ever purchased any of our artists albums or music? I have.

Thirdly, you pay Mike Zaneski to record your music, I dont. I dont need to. You let him record your work and then you think its the greatest bit of music ever recorded.

Lastly, you were one of the biggest jack offs on that country site, and nobody gave one rats about you. Now you think your the king of this forum

Your true nature comes out when somebody disagrees with you, and it wont be long before you mouth off to somebody else

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#1147103 - 12/15/18 07:28 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Somebody emailed me. First off, do tell who left because of me, otherwise we'll call you a liar.

Secondly. have you ever purchased any of our artists albums or music? I have.

Thirdly, you pay Mike Zaneski to record your music, I dont. I dont need to, you let him record your work and then you think its the greatest bit of music ever recorded.

Lastly, you were one of the biggest jack offs on that country site, and nobody gave one rats about you. Now you think your the king of this forum

Your true nature comes out when somebody disagrees with you, and it wont be long before you mouth off to somebody else


Flattery will get you nowhere.

Here is your reality...This is an internet site that you haunt populated by unconnected amateurs and hobbyists. If you are here, that's what you are. Doesn't matter who records your music. That's where we are. That's how it shakes out.

But, you have a habit of insulting people who you think are dumber than you and then deluging them with lengthy faux wisdom. No one is.dumber than you.

In other news, I am not revealing anything to you.

As for Mike...he is a person of great value here. Never seen a music internet site with an asset who had his sensibilities and skills. You don't. I'm lucky to know Mike.

I send Mike g/v's. Am not concerned with what you think of them or me.

Put up an actual song and I will tell you what I think of that.

Love and kisses from 6th street in Austin. Gotta get back to my wine glass now.

#1147104 - 12/15/18 07:37 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Somebody emailed me. First off, do tell who left because of me, otherwise we'll call you a liar.

Secondly. have you ever purchased any of our artists albums or music? I have.

Thirdly, you pay Mike Zaneski to record your music, I dont. I dont need to, you let him record your work and then you think its the greatest bit of music ever recorded.

Lastly, you were one of the biggest jack offs on that country site, and nobody gave one rats about you. Now you think your the king of this forum

Your true nature comes out when somebody disagrees with you, and it wont be long before you mouth off to somebody else


Flattery will get you nowhere.

Here is your reality...This is an internet site that you haunt populated by unconnected amateurs and hobbyists. If you are here, that's what you are. Doesn't matter who records your music. That's where we are. That's how it shakes out.

But, you have a habit of insulting people who you think are dumber than you and then deluging them with lengthy faux wisdom. No one here is dumber than you.

In other news, I am not revealing anything to you.

As for Mike...he is a person of great value here. Never seen a music internet site with an asset who had his sensibilities and skills and made them available to ammys on the net. You aren't that. I'm lucky to know Mike.

I send Mike g/v's which he works up into a production, with little, if any interference from me. Am not concerned with what you think of them or me.

Put up an actual song and I will tell you what I think of that.

Love and kisses from 6th street in Austin. Gotta get back to my glass of wine now.

#1147125 - 12/16/18 11:01 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Those Real Musicians you talk about were generally old hams with no

real talent The Beatles re John and Paul wrote outstanding songs , up to then

most Pro Bands were limited in their Chord Repertoire I met loads of them

The Beatles were the first Recording Band that featured original modulations

that is why they were so successful They hit the charts , when music was getting

Old Hat and very dated The Beatles were innovative in many ways and lead us

into a Special Time in Music History They wrote lyrics in general to a

sequence of guitar chords, one of the best ways to write They Were Rock - Blues - Folk

and Skiffle- plus Jazz All Mixed Into One The Prosdy between their Lyrics and Melody's

Was Superb , Nothing Before or Since has come even close to them


Half of this is true, the other half hog wash....

When you say music, do mean all music, or rock music? Music was very elegant and complex before rock music came along.

And to say anybody before the Beatles had no real talent, is so absurd it aint funny. The Beatles wouldn't have been anything without the likes of Chuck Berry,
Fats Domino, Chubby Checker, Little Richard, Everly Brothers, 50's music in general

Beatles were really the first BAND to write their own songs. That's what set them apart.

It's never going to be an argument anybody can win, because The Beatles will always be the best to anyone who grew up with them. Ask anybody under 40, they wont say the same thing. I love The Beatles, There is not a song I dont like by The Beatles, but they didnt invent anything, they just built on what was already out there.

And they looked good, and the girls loved them. They were a boy band before the term even came around.

There is defintly something about being the first. You dont see 20 year olds saying theres nothing like the Beatles, its only people old enough, at least old enough to not be so far removed from them


I agree. They openly admitted who they got their ideas and chords etc. from and the rest was having a savant orchestrator like George Martin who was essentially (and initially unwillingly) slumming with the Beatles on assignment from his company bosses. He of course grew to love them and their music and found a way to bring out the genius in it by making it sound ground breaking. Remember, their early songs were simplistic bubble gum stuff. But with his depth of expertise in orchestrating their songs into epic productions which simply lapped all the competition of the day until they ran up against another savant in Brian Wilson who drove them all collectively to up their game even further. They were admirers not just of the 50's artists including Elvis and all those black talents they openly admitted ripping off, but also Bob Dylan and others who came of age in the 60's as well. And their bad boy nemesis band the Rolling Stones also kept them on their toes in many ways and vice versa. It was a great era in music where every ripped off everyone's GREAT material as opposed to today where everyone rips off others terrible material. I wish people would rip off the Beatles and the Stone and Bob Dylan and the Beach Boys today... Sure, some bands have had short term success doing it, but none had their own brilliance to use that stuff as a launching pad into even better stuff. All they could do is ape the stuff and milk it until people moved on from them.

There ARE a lot of interesting artists out there, but the multinational corporations don't push bands to innovate, but to simply mimic until the fad is milked dry then on to the scrap heap with them until the next batch of drones come around. And if anyone DOES break through with something interesting, rather than supporting them to great heights, they instead hire and pay rip off producers to steal the essence of what the innovators are doing, milk it dry and then move on while CRUSHING the original source out of the marketplace with their collusion and monopolistic power in all aspects from creation to market to promotion to airplay and media/film/tv placements where they have 100% power and cannot be challenged by anyone, no matter how much talent they might have. As soon as anyone breaks into awareness in the marketplace who isn't 100% controlled by a multinational, they hire and produce a zillion sound alike artists, over saturate the marketplace with the copycats who can't innovate or build on the art itself, and they CRUSH the poor artist who brought the talent and innovation into oblivion. Rinse, Repeat.

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#1147133 - 12/17/18 11:10 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Cheyenne
Those Real Musicians you talk about were generally old hams with no

real talent The Beatles re John and Paul wrote outstanding songs , up to then

most Pro Bands were limited in their Chord Repertoire I met loads of them

The Beatles were the first Recording Band that featured original modulations

that is why they were so successful They hit the charts , when music was getting

Old Hat and very dated The Beatles were innovative in many ways and lead us

into a Special Time in Music History They wrote lyrics in general to a

sequence of guitar chords, one of the best ways to write They Were Rock - Blues - Folk

and Skiffle- plus Jazz All Mixed Into One The Prosdy between their Lyrics and Melody's

Was Superb , Nothing Before or Since has come even close to them


Half of this is true, the other half hog wash....

When you say music, do mean all music, or rock music? Music was very elegant and complex before rock music came along.

And to say anybody before the Beatles had no real talent, is so absurd it aint funny. The Beatles wouldn't have been anything without the likes of Chuck Berry,
Fats Domino, Chubby Checker, Little Richard, Everly Brothers, 50's music in general

Beatles were really the first BAND to write their own songs. That's what set them apart.

It's never going to be an argument anybody can win, because The Beatles will always be the best to anyone who grew up with them. Ask anybody under 40, they wont say the same thing. I love The Beatles, There is not a song I dont like by The Beatles, but they didnt invent anything, they just built on what was already out there.

And they looked good, and the girls loved them. They were a boy band before the term even came around.

There is defintly something about being the first. You dont see 20 year olds saying theres nothing like the Beatles, its only people old enough, at least old enough to not be so far removed from them


I agree. They openly admitted who they got their ideas and chords etc. from and the rest was having a savant orchestrator like George Martin who was essentially (and initially unwillingly) slumming with the Beatles on assignment from his company bosses. He of course grew to love them and their music and found a way to bring out the genius in it by making it sound ground breaking. Remember, their early songs were simplistic bubble gum stuff. But with his depth of expertise in orchestrating their songs into epic productions which simply lapped all the competition of the day until they ran up against another savant in Brian Wilson who drove them all collectively to up their game even further. They were admirers not just of the 50's artists including Elvis and all those black talents they openly admitted ripping off, but also Bob Dylan and others who came of age in the 60's as well. And their bad boy nemesis band the Rolling Stones also kept them on their toes in many ways and vice versa. It was a great era in music where every ripped off everyone's GREAT material as opposed to today where everyone rips off others terrible material. I wish people would rip off the Beatles and the Stone and Bob Dylan and the Beach Boys today... Sure, some bands have had short term success doing it, but none had their own brilliance to use that stuff as a launching pad into even better stuff. All they could do is ape the stuff and milk it until people moved on from them.

There ARE a lot of interesting artists out there, but the multinational corporations don't push bands to innovate, but to simply mimic until the fad is milked dry then on to the scrap heap with them until the next batch of drones come around. And if anyone DOES break through with something interesting, rather than supporting them to great heights, they instead hire and pay rip off producers to steal the essence of what the innovators are doing, milk it dry and then move on while CRUSHING the original source out of the marketplace with their collusion and monopolistic power in all aspects from creation to market to promotion to airplay and media/film/tv placements where they have 100% power and cannot be challenged by anyone, no matter how much talent they might have. As soon as anyone breaks into awareness in the marketplace who isn't 100% controlled by a multinational, they hire and produce a zillion sound alike artists, over saturate the marketplace with the copycats who can't innovate or build on the art itself, and they CRUSH the poor artist who brought the talent and innovation into oblivion. Rinse, Repeat.

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This is just about 100% on the nose. I think it was Dylan's influence that made them go towards writing deeper stuff too. And I have nothing against bubble gum, I Love Jenny(8675309). and Jessie's Girl, and The Outfields your love. And I love, I Wanna Hold Your Hand as much as I love Eleanor Rigby.

I too would like to hear great writing like The Beatles. But will we recognize it as such? Will we give the credit, alot of the Beatles die hards wont.

The Beatles were also in a great position. They were allowed to develope while on the job. That doesn't happen today. I was watching a documentary on the band Rush. They were talking about how it took them several albums to get where they wanted to be, but today they wouldn't be given that chance. Somebody could have stepped in and said no, your writing I wanna hold your hand over and over again.

Either you break out and make big money or they drop you. Billy Joel was given a long leash, so was Bruce, and countless others.

Artist devlopement takes time, and alot of us will have our develpment stopped because we wont make a big splash from day one.

I love The Beatles but they had so many advantages. Appearing on Ed Sullivan when that was basicly the only show on TV at the time. If that happened today the vast majority of us wouldn't even have seen it. And being allowed to develope their craft while still earning a living. They had enormous talent, but had the chance to turn it into what it became

Back to the blues, there really isnt anything we could try to play on an instrument, or sing, that doesnt have ties to the blues. Aside classical music and eastern arabic and hindi music. But im sure even Ravi Shankar dabbled in the blues too

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Uh, Well,
Maybe some of you need to go back and read Marc's original Post. He was talking about "Downer" Songs versus more Mid-Tempo songs. It is a fine line between writing good Ballads and more Up Tempo songs that will be placed and recorded. Not always easy. And of course music is always evolving. If you listen to some Early Bob Wills, he sounded more like Jazz than what later evolved into Western Swing. And of course there was a ton of music before Blues, for instance. I could mention Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc.


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Uh, Well,
Maybe some of you need to go back and read Marc's original Post. He was talking about "Downer" Songs versus more Mid-Tempo songs. It is a fine line between writing good Ballads and more Up Tempo songs that will be placed and recorded. Not always easy. And of course music is always evolving. If you listen to some Early Bob Wills, he sounded more like Jazz than what later evolved into Western Swing. And of course there was a ton of music before Blues, for instance. I could mention Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, etc.


Yep, there was tons of music before the blues. There was also Pat Boone and Perry Como, and the Brill building and theatre songs.

But the main glue of 20th century music is the blues, there's no country without it Ray

Classical I dont think influenced the 20th century as much but is still around

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Aw, Humm.
FD I have been listening to Country Music since the early 50's and suscribed to many Country Music Publications during that time. Never did I hear or read that any country music developed out of the blues. And you can't hear any blues influences to speak of in most country releases. Musical influences develops from many sources including Blues. At that time most types of music was isolated from most people that were doing things in music.The Blues may have influenced Hank Williams to some extent but Hank Snow, from Canada probably never heard any Blues type Music. Sorry but your theory is pretty suspect. I have lots of different music in my collection. Who knows what influences went into the songs.


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Aw, Humm.
FD I have been listening to Country Music since the early 50's and suscribed to many Country Music Publications during that time. Never did I hear or read that any country music developed out of the blues. And you can't hear any blues influences to speak of in most country releases. Musical influences develops from many sources including Blues. At that time most types of music was isolated from most people that were doing things in music.The Blues may have influenced Hank Williams to some extent but Hank Snow, from Canada probably never heard any Blues type Music. Sorry but your theory is pretty suspect. I have lots of different music in my collection. Who knows what influences went into the songs.


Lyrically most classic country is directly coming from blues. Hard times, working for peanuts, cheating, drinking, the only thing different is trucks which you dont see in blues music. Musically, anything that slides or bends or plays those flatted 3rds to wring emotion out, comes from the blues, the only difference is the instruments they use.

http://nortoncenter.com/2017/03/19/the-origins-of-country-music/

"Not only did jazz and the blues influence country artists, but also many white musicians, such as Hank Williams, learned their craft from black teachers

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Well shucks,
Uh, Bugsy, Aaron Arthour, FD or what ever you are calling yourself these days. Merle Travis wrote a couple of pretty good songs in his day. One, Sixteen Tons, was a huge hit by Tennessee Ernie Ford and the other Dark as a Dungeon, was about hard times in the Coal Mines. Sorry but you are comparing Apples to Oranges, to Coal dust to Fruitcakes. Eh, sorry but what ever blues music that was being played at the time was local as Radio was just getting started and radios were scarce at the time. Hank Snow sang songs about trains mostly. Roy Acuff also did some Train Songs, one also a huge Hit was Walbash Cannon Ball, not a smidgen of blues in it. I also have some books that Ralph Emory wrote about Nashville and many of the players. Um, sorry, no mention of any direct blues influences anywhere in the books. Astrological influences? Of course but don't strain your brain. It takes years of study.


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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Well shucks,
Uh, Bugsy, Aaron Arthour, FD or what ever you are calling yourself these days. Merle Travis wrote a couple of pretty good songs in his day. One, Sixteen Tons, was a huge hit by Tennessee Ernie Ford and the other Dark as a Dungeon, was about hard times in the Coal Mines. Sorry but you are comparing Apples to Oranges, to Coal dust to Fruitcakes. Eh, sorry but what ever blues music that was being played at the time was local as Radio was just getting started and radios were scarce at the time. Hank Snow sang songs about trains mostly. Roy Acuff also did some Train Songs, one also a huge Hit was Walbash Cannon Ball, not a smidgen of blues in it. I also have some books that Ralph Emory wrote about Nashville and many of the players. Um, sorry, no mention of any direct blues influences anywhere in the books. Astrological influences? Of course but don't strain your brain. It takes years of study.


You seem to be another who cant take being wrong Ray. Its not true because you say so, show me references that say country was NOT descended from the blues

And shame you have to throw out wrong aliases to try and deflect my points. Country music is heavily influenced by black/ blues music, get used to it

https://www.chicagoreader.com/chica...he-mix-country-music/Content?oid=9990104

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_music

Country music, also known as country and western (or simply country), and hillbilly music, is a genre of popular music that originated in the southern United States in the early 1920s.[1] It takes its roots from genres such as folk music (especially Appalachian folk and Western music) and blues.

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https://www.scaruffi.com/history/country.html

"The instrumentation included the banjo, introduced by the African slaves via the minstrel shows, the Scottish "fiddle" (the poor man's violin, simplified so that the fiddler could also sing) and the Spanish guitar (an instrument that became popular in the South only around 1910). Ironically, as more and more blacks abandoned the banjo and adopted the guitar, the banjo ended up being identified with white music, while the guitar ended up being identified as black music. For example, Hobart Smith learned to play from black bluesman Blind Lemon Jefferson, but went on to play the banjo while Jefferson played the guitar. "

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According to Etta James in an interview with American Chronicle: "The Blues and country are first cousins ... What I look for in a song is for the story to be for real. I like a blood and guts kind of thing. That's what you find in the lyrics of country music." Blues and country music both developed in the 19th century in the Southern United States. They share a similar history. For this reason, they share many of the same musical and lyrical characteristics.

Learn the history behind blues and country music. They are both forms of American folk music influenced by earlier styles brought overseas. Blues music grew out of field hollers and chants sung by African slaves. Irish and Scottish balladeers borrowed the guitar and banjo of blues and thus created "country". According to Reebee Garofalo in "Rockin' Out: Popular Music in the USA", "Terms like country and blues are only used to separate the same kind of music made by blacks and whites ... designations like race and hillbilly intentionally separated artists along racial lines and conveyed the impression that their music came from mutually exclusive sources." Country is an offshoot of blues. They are essentially the same thing. In the PBS special, "Rhythm, Country and Blues," country is referred to as "white man's blues."

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Anybody see Ray around?

https://ourpastimes.com/how-to-compare-blues-country-music-12269434.html

According to Etta James in an interview with American Chronicle: "The Blues and country are first cousins ... What I look for in a song is for the story to be for real. I like a blood and guts kind of thing. That's what you find in the lyrics of country music." Blues and country music both developed in the 19th century in the Southern United States. They share a similar history. For this reason, they share many of the same musical and lyrical characteristics.

Learn the history behind blues and country music. They are both forms of American folk music influenced by earlier styles brought overseas. Blues music grew out of field hollers and chants sung by African slaves. Irish and Scottish balladeers borrowed the guitar and banjo of blues and thus created "country". According to Reebee Garofalo in "Rockin' Out: Popular Music in the USA", "Terms like country and blues are only used to separate the same kind of music made by blacks and whites ... designations like race and hillbilly intentionally separated artists along racial lines and conveyed the impression that their music came from mutually exclusive sources." Country is an offshoot of blues. They are essentially the same thing. In the PBS special, "Rhythm, Country and Blues," country is referred to as "white man's blues."


Congratulaions...
Based upon an un-exhaustive internet search and some subjective sources you have uncovered that 12 bars blues and some African and European music are antecedents to American country and pop music. And you made a brilliant case for it. Now that you have done this, why don't you climb into a leaky row boat and set off from the coast of Spain to discover...."the new world."

Once done...you can return here and find someone to argue about it with. LOL

PS...Make certain that the boat is leaky.

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https://ourpastimes.com/how-to-compare-blues-country-music-12269434.html

According to Etta James in an interview with American Chronicle: "The Blues and country are first cousins ... What I look for in a song is for the story to be for real. I like a blood and guts kind of thing. That's what you find in the lyrics of country music." Blues and country music both developed in the 19th century in the Southern United States. They share a similar history. For this reason, they share many of the same musical and lyrical characteristics.

Learn the history behind blues and country music. They are both forms of American folk music influenced by earlier styles brought overseas. Blues music grew out of field hollers and chants sung by African slaves. Irish and Scottish balladeers borrowed the guitar and banjo of blues and thus created "country". According to Reebee Garofalo in "Rockin' Out: Popular Music in the USA", "Terms like country and blues are only used to separate the same kind of music made by blacks and whites ... designations like race and hillbilly intentionally separated artists along racial lines and conveyed the impression that their music came from mutually exclusive sources." Country is an offshoot of blues. They are essentially the same thing. In the PBS special, "Rhythm, Country and Blues," country is referred to as "white man's blues."


Congratulaions...
Based upon an un-exhaustive internet search and some subjective sources you have uncovered that 12 bars blues and some African and European music are antecedents to American country and pop music. And you made a brilliant case for it. Now that you have done this, why don't you climb into a leaky row boat and set off from the coast of Spain to discover...."the new world."

Once done...you can return here and find someone to argue about it with. LOL


Was not me who started it, Ray did, anyone with eyes can see that.

But if my argument is a sarcastic "brilliant case", where is yours that mine is wrong. Ill wait for it chief

Maybe you and Ray can look it up together, I cant wait

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Talk about round in circles... this has been interesting and, at times, fairly heated "discussion" from opposite poles. I neither accept nor reject the idea that "country music" came about because of influence from "the blues."

Before there was "country"... there was Western Music. (Sons of the Pioneers and others.) Remember "Western Swing?" No doubt, it was influenced by "Pop Swing" of that era. (Sorry, an entirely different "argument.")

Much of the "Western Music" appears to have had a Nordic influence. Eventually, Western was "morphed" into Country and Western... and finally, Nashville Executives (my conspiracy theory) decided it was easier to market by just calling it "Country."

When all is said and done, does any of this matter? By my limited deductive powers, I have never heard absolute proof that Blues was influenced by Country... or the other way around. It eventually comes down to what or whom you believe.

Would it be prudent for me to offer the "Olive Branch" to all parties, no harm, no foul. Is there any common ground any of us can find to allow building something productive or worthwhile?
Life is short and the ability to create and enjoy music is fleeting.

Merry Christmas, everyone. ----Dave

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Well, Humm,
I know Big Foot is real. I read it somewhere. I have given "Bugsy" some actual facts about the origins of Country Music. Now I wonder who influenced Bach?


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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
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https://ourpastimes.com/how-to-compare-blues-country-music-12269434.html

According to Etta James in an interview with American Chronicle: "The Blues and country are first cousins ... What I look for in a song is for the story to be for real. I like a blood and guts kind of thing. That's what you find in the lyrics of country music." Blues and country music both developed in the 19th century in the Southern United States. They share a similar history. For this reason, they share many of the same musical and lyrical characteristics.

Learn the history behind blues and country music. They are both forms of American folk music influenced by earlier styles brought overseas. Blues music grew out of field hollers and chants sung by African slaves. Irish and Scottish balladeers borrowed the guitar and banjo of blues and thus created "country". According to Reebee Garofalo in "Rockin' Out: Popular Music in the USA", "Terms like country and blues are only used to separate the same kind of music made by blacks and whites ... designations like race and hillbilly intentionally separated artists along racial lines and conveyed the impression that their music came from mutually exclusive sources." Country is an offshoot of blues. They are essentially the same thing. In the PBS special, "Rhythm, Country and Blues," country is referred to as "white man's blues."


Congratulaions...
Based upon an un-exhaustive internet search and some subjective sources you have uncovered that 12 bars blues and some African and European music are antecedents to American country and pop music. And you made a brilliant case for it. Now that you have done this, why don't you climb into a leaky row boat and set off from the coast of Spain to discover...."the new world."

Once done...you can return here and find someone to argue about it with. LOL


Was not me who started it, Ray did, anyone with eyes can see that.

But if my argument is a sarcastic "brilliant case", where is yours that mine is wrong. Ill wait for it chief

Maybe you and Ray can look it up together, I cant wait



The deal is that I agree with you about 12 bar blues being antecedent to pop music and much of country. I don't know how much and don't care. And I think that debates are good. But this particular argument/debate, like so many others that you have doesnt matter much one way or the other. What is not good and the point that forever seems lost on you is that your endless debates, arguments etc are winning you no prizes and causing good people who I enjoy reading closely to pull back from posting

And it appears, that you are so pathologically hopeless, that you don't care and/or cannot stop.. There was a time when I would keep winding you up just for fun. But I would only do that on "cat box" websites where there was nothing worthwhile being accomplished anyway or the purpose of the website was argument. This website is better than that. You are making it less so.

So I'm asking nicely...Do you think that you are able to control your inclinations to want to engage and win random arguments?
Can you discuss something without diminutively insulting someone?
Are you able to see the point of what I am saying?


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https://ourpastimes.com/how-to-compare-blues-country-music-12269434.html

According to Etta James in an interview with American Chronicle: "The Blues and country are first cousins ... What I look for in a song is for the story to be for real. I like a blood and guts kind of thing. That's what you find in the lyrics of country music." Blues and country music both developed in the 19th century in the Southern United States. They share a similar history. For this reason, they share many of the same musical and lyrical characteristics.

Learn the history behind blues and country music. They are both forms of American folk music influenced by earlier styles brought overseas. Blues music grew out of field hollers and chants sung by African slaves. Irish and Scottish balladeers borrowed the guitar and banjo of blues and thus created "country". According to Reebee Garofalo in "Rockin' Out: Popular Music in the USA", "Terms like country and blues are only used to separate the same kind of music made by blacks and whites ... designations like race and hillbilly intentionally separated artists along racial lines and conveyed the impression that their music came from mutually exclusive sources." Country is an offshoot of blues. They are essentially the same thing. In the PBS special, "Rhythm, Country and Blues," country is referred to as "white man's blues."



Congratulaions...
Based upon an un-exhaustive internet search and some subjective sources you have uncovered that 12 bars blues and some African and European music are antecedents to American country and pop music. And you made a brilliant case for it. Now that you have done this, why don't you climb into a leaky row boat and set off from the coast of Spain to discover...."the new world."

Once done...you can return here and find someone to argue about it with. LOL


Was not me who started it, Ray did, anyone with eyes can see that.

But if my argument is a sarcastic "brilliant case", where is yours that mine is wrong. Ill wait for it chief

Maybe you and Ray can look it up together, I cant wait



The deal is that I agree with you about 12 bar blues being antecedent to pop music and much of country. I don't know how much and don't care. And I think that debates are good. But this particular argument/debate, like so many others that you have doesnt matter much one way or the other. What is not good and the point that forever seems lost on you is that your endless debates, arguments etc are winning you no prizes and causing good people who I enjoy reading closely to pull back from posting

And it appears, that you are so pathologically hopeless, that you don't care and/or cannot stop.. There was a time when I would keep winding you up just for fun. But I would only do that on "cat box" websites where there was nothing worthwhile being accomplished anyway or the purpose of the website was argument. This website is better than that. You are making it less so.

So I'm asking nicely...Do you think that you are able to control your inclinations to want to engage and win random arguments?
Can you discuss something without diminutively insulting someone?
Are you able to see the point of what I am saying?




The deal is you think 12 bar blues is all there is to know about the blues. I don't suggest that country musicians stomp their feet badadada dum. 12 bar blues is simply a chord progession used in the blues

The blues is a lifestyle, is a way of looking at life, and musically it's in everything done in Beatles, Stones, Led Zep, even Dylan. And anybody who picks up a guitar in America is playing some offshoot of blues

If your only link is 12 bar blues u don't get it

Did not insult anyone, learn to read

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There's no valid content or substance in your response. But in a mirror-imaged manner you did answer my questions.
Conclusion: Broken and pointless.

At this point I have entered into and sustained spin-cycle with you. As a result, I am no longer observing the problem and trying to deal with it. I have merged into the problem and become a piece of it's drain-swirling circular existence.

So it's time to give it up and withdraw from this and let you have your little world uncontested. As I said, it's not my site and whatever the admins allow is whatever they allow.






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There's no valid content or substance in your response. But in a mirror-imaged manner you did answer my questions.
Conclusion: Broken and pointless.

At this point I have entered into and sustained spin-cycle with you. As a result, I am no longer observing the problem and trying to deal with it. I have merged into the problem and become a piece of it's drain-swirling circular existence.

So it's time to give it up and withdraw from this and let you have your little world uncontested. As I said, it's not my site and whatever the admins allow is whatever they allow.






Ditto, I hope the admins can tolerate such blatant, whimsical non sense, the suddenly serious (since hes paying money for demos) wants everything to be funneled through him

Ill tolerate you, but im not very fond of you.

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Martin became suddenly serious? And according to you, it's because he pays for demos? I don't follow how these two things connect. This is skewed logic, at best.

FD..you know the truth is that the admin has banned most every alias of yours, up until this, where I imagine Brian simply said, "what's the use.." In this thread alone you obviously appear under one other alias (Ben Jones).

If you don't think you hijack threads, take another look at my BIAB tutorial. It was about how to get the most out of the software. You came along and decided the thread was about "BIAB sucks, therefore it can't be taken seriously" or something like that. Then I felt obligated to engage with you, for a time, and even felt we came to an understanding. But if you think I came away from this experience thinking, "oh boy, let's write some more tutorials, how fun and cool was that" --well, nope..I soon thereafter decided my time was too valuable than to go through that kind of thing again.

You aren't like other "trolls" who are usually men with sadistic needs. You just seem to really need to belong to a club that accepts you and lets you be yourself, and I get it. But this will always be tainted by the fact that you basically ignored Brian's bans, over and over and OVER again, and basically thumbed your nose at him, and Midnite, and I don't know who else.

I could be wrong, but I imagine if you had more of a life, away from JPF, winning arguments in JPF threads wouldn't have such dire significance as it obviously does for you. It doesn't seem like you can see how pathetic your behavior is, in the light of having been banned dozens of times, and like an obstinate child, you refused to leave.

Some folks here don't mind you, I'm sure. Some have memory problems, are anarchists, or are simply really forgiving. But I'd say perhaps a majority simply and co-dependently stay out of your way cuz they don't wanna be "wished into the cornfield." That was me, for sure. So, go ahead and feel free to impugn my character, but one fact remains: you were indeed banned several times from this place, and you came back under various alias'...and that's rather pathetic, in my humble opinion, and points to some real problems. How does one try to sincerely let you know that you may actually indeed need a little help? I am not in the schoolyard trying to cut you in any way I can. I'm an adult who has been observing you for awhile now, and I don't think it could hurt to talk to a professional about why you feel a need to belong to a club that has kicked you out, time and again.

Martin was basically asking you to be a little more self-aware, is all, instead of so damn knee-jerkish. But I imagine, to you yourself, you are fighting this heroic battle every time you hijack a thread or otherwise have an argument with someone. It's all-important, life-or death stuff..and to me, this points to a un-balanced life where JPF threads have WAY too much significance in the pantheon of events in your life, and that's not healthy at all.

Mike



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#1147221 - 12/20/18 09:40 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Martin became suddenly serious? And according to you, it's because he pays for demos? I don't follow how these two things connect. This is skewed logic, at best.

FD..you know the truth is that the admin has banned most every alias of yours, up until this, where I imagine Brian simply said, "what's the use.." In this thread alone you obviously appear under one other alias (Ben Jones).

If you don't think you hijack threads, take another look at my BIAB tutorial. It was about how to get the most out of the software. You came along and decided the thread was about "BIAB sucks, therefore it can't be taken seriously" or something like that. Then I felt obligated to engage with you, for a time, and even felt we came to an understanding. But if you think I came away from this experience thinking, "oh boy, let's write some more tutorials, how fun and cool was that" --well, nope..I soon thereafter decided my time was too valuable than to go through that kind of thing again.

You aren't like other "trolls" who are usually men with sadistic needs. You just seem to really need to belong to a club that accepts you and lets you be yourself, and I get it. But this will always be tainted by the fact that you basically ignored Brian's bans, over and over and OVER again, and basically thumbed your nose at him, and Midnite, and I don't know who else.

I could be wrong, but I imagine if you had more of a life, away from JPF, winning arguments in JPF threads wouldn't have such dire significance as it obviously does for you. It doesn't seem like you can see how pathetic your behavior is, in the light of having been banned dozens of times, and like an obstinate child, you refused to leave.

Some folks here don't mind you, I'm sure. Some have memory problems, are anarchists, or are simply really forgiving. But I'd say perhaps a majority simply and co-dependently stay out of your way cuz they don't wanna be "wished into the cornfield." That was me, for sure. So, go ahead and feel free to impugn my character, but one fact remains: you were indeed banned several times from this place, and you came back under various alias'...and that's rather pathetic, in my humble opinion, and points to some real problems. How does one try to sincerely let you know that you may actually indeed need a little help? I am not in the schoolyard trying to cut you in any way I can. I'm an adult who has been observing you for awhile now, and I don't think it could hurt to talk to a professional about why you feel a need to belong to a club that has kicked you out, time and again.

Martin was basically asking you to be a little more self-aware, is all, instead of so damn knee-jerkish. But I imagine, to you yourself, you are fighting this heroic battle every time you hijack a thread or otherwise have an argument with someone. It's all-important, life-or death stuff..and to me, this points to a un-balanced life where JPF threads have WAY too much significance in the pantheon of events in your life, and that's not healthy at all.

Mike




He was on another site and was known as an instigator and trouble maker. He had a buddy who did the same, in fact a lot of us did. He ruffled alot of feathers. That's why im trying to figure out why he wants to be St Francis now.

What you call hijacking and I call hijacking are two different things. You also don't have authority over all because you do demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owl, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses. My opinion of it stands, I expressed it, you kept defending it, which you had the right to, I didn't tell you to stop thinking that.

But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing. I don't know what else there is to say, im not going to tell people their music is great, that is a disservice. Nobody wants to work on their craft, which is going to hijack any idea they have in music more than anything I have to say



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#1147222 - 12/20/18 10:30 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Martin became suddenly serious? And according to you, it's because he pays for demos? I don't follow how these two things connect. This is skewed logic, at best.

FD..you know the truth is that the admin has banned most every alias of yours, up until this, where I imagine Brian simply said, "what's the use.." In this thread alone you obviously appear under one other alias (Ben Jones).

If you don't think you hijack threads, take another look at my BIAB tutorial. It was about how to get the most out of the software. You came along and decided the thread was about "BIAB sucks, therefore it can't be taken seriously" or something like that. Then I felt obligated to engage with you, for a time, and even felt we came to an understanding. But if you think I came away from this experience thinking, "oh boy, let's write some more tutorials, how fun and cool was that" --well, nope..I soon thereafter decided my time was too valuable than to go through that kind of thing again.

You aren't like other "trolls" who are usually men with sadistic needs. You just seem to really need to belong to a club that accepts you and lets you be yourself, and I get it. But this will always be tainted by the fact that you basically ignored Brian's bans, over and over and OVER again, and basically thumbed your nose at him, and Midnite, and I don't know who else.

I could be wrong, but I imagine if you had more of a life, away from JPF, winning arguments in JPF threads wouldn't have such dire significance as it obviously does for you. It doesn't seem like you can see how pathetic your behavior is, in the light of having been banned dozens of times, and like an obstinate child, you refused to leave.

Some folks here don't mind you, I'm sure. Some have memory problems, are anarchists, or are simply really forgiving. But I'd say perhaps a majority simply and co-dependently stay out of your way cuz they don't wanna be "wished into the cornfield." That was me, for sure. So, go ahead and feel free to impugn my character, but one fact remains: you were indeed banned several times from this place, and you came back under various alias'...and that's rather pathetic, in my humble opinion, and points to some real problems. How does one try to sincerely let you know that you may actually indeed need a little help? I am not in the schoolyard trying to cut you in any way I can. I'm an adult who has been observing you for awhile now, and I don't think it could hurt to talk to a professional about why you feel a need to belong to a club that has kicked you out, time and again.

Martin was basically asking you to be a little more self-aware, is all, instead of so damn knee-jerkish. But I imagine, to you yourself, you are fighting this heroic battle every time you hijack a thread or otherwise have an argument with someone. It's all-important, life-or death stuff..and to me, this points to a un-balanced life where JPF threads have WAY too much significance in the pantheon of events in your life, and that's not healthy at all.

Mike




He was on another site and was known as an instigator and trouble maker. He had a buddy who did the same, in fact a lot of us did. He ruffled alot of feathers. That's why im trying to figure out why he wants to be St Francis now.

What you call hijacking and I call hijacking are two different things. You also don't have authority over all because you dop demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owel, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses. My opinion of it stands, I expressed it, you kept defending it, which you had the right to, I didn't tell you to stop thinking that.

But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing. I don't know what else there is to say, im not going to tell people their music is great, that is a disservice. Nobody wants to work on their craft, which is going to hijack any idea they have in music more than anything I have to say





Guilty as charged regarding the other site. I did in fact troll it. Didn't start out that way, but it was so poorly admin'd that it devolved into nothing but acrimonious insults long before I got there. All of the real songwriters who had some real-life-view of the actual music business left and all that remained were ammy songwriters and lousy musicians. I hung around and enjoyed handing all of the crap back that came at me. I used it for an "internet litter box" ...until they banned me. It took 4 years for the admins there to display enough common sense to ban me. Now they're gone altogether.

But this one remains and I have never done that here. Because, this is a good site. No forum is perfect but it's a good place.

You are the sole troll here. You are the disrupter of the greater good and the agent who causes better people to withdraw.
Many of your "honest opinions" aren't particularly correct. But that isn't the problem. It's the way that you deliver them. You troll for people making statements in comment threads and then attack the statement and ultimately devolve into attacking the person. And people with better things to do... leave. The residue of all of that is that you and your "honest opinions" is all that remains. Your last post addressing me was a good nonsensical example of the mess that is you and your "honest opinions."

You clearly see yourself as a "defender and warrior of the truth." You aren't.
"But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing."

Truthfully, that is the best idea that you have had.



#1147223 - 12/20/18 11:12 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
Martin became suddenly serious? And according to you, it's because he pays for demos? I don't follow how these two things connect. This is skewed logic, at best.

FD..you know the truth is that the admin has banned most every alias of yours, up until this, where I imagine Brian simply said, "what's the use.." In this thread alone you obviously appear under one other alias (Ben Jones).

If you don't think you hijack threads, take another look at my BIAB tutorial. It was about how to get the most out of the software. You came along and decided the thread was about "BIAB sucks, therefore it can't be taken seriously" or something like that. Then I felt obligated to engage with you, for a time, and even felt we came to an understanding. But if you think I came away from this experience thinking, "oh boy, let's write some more tutorials, how fun and cool was that" --well, nope..I soon thereafter decided my time was too valuable than to go through that kind of thing again.

You aren't like other "trolls" who are usually men with sadistic needs. You just seem to really need to belong to a club that accepts you and lets you be yourself, and I get it. But this will always be tainted by the fact that you basically ignored Brian's bans, over and over and OVER again, and basically thumbed your nose at him, and Midnite, and I don't know who else.

I could be wrong, but I imagine if you had more of a life, away from JPF, winning arguments in JPF threads wouldn't have such dire significance as it obviously does for you. It doesn't seem like you can see how pathetic your behavior is, in the light of having been banned dozens of times, and like an obstinate child, you refused to leave.

Some folks here don't mind you, I'm sure. Some have memory problems, are anarchists, or are simply really forgiving. But I'd say perhaps a majority simply and co-dependently stay out of your way cuz they don't wanna be "wished into the cornfield." That was me, for sure. So, go ahead and feel free to impugn my character, but one fact remains: you were indeed banned several times from this place, and you came back under various alias'...and that's rather pathetic, in my humble opinion, and points to some real problems. How does one try to sincerely let you know that you may actually indeed need a little help? I am not in the schoolyard trying to cut you in any way I can. I'm an adult who has been observing you for awhile now, and I don't think it could hurt to talk to a professional about why you feel a need to belong to a club that has kicked you out, time and again.

Martin was basically asking you to be a little more self-aware, is all, instead of so damn knee-jerkish. But I imagine, to you yourself, you are fighting this heroic battle every time you hijack a thread or otherwise have an argument with someone. It's all-important, life-or death stuff..and to me, this points to a un-balanced life where JPF threads have WAY too much significance in the pantheon of events in your life, and that's not healthy at all.

Mike




He was on another site and was known as an instigator and trouble maker. He had a buddy who did the same, in fact a lot of us did. He ruffled alot of feathers. That's why im trying to figure out why he wants to be St Francis now.

What you call hijacking and I call hijacking are two different things. You also don't have authority over all because you dop demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owel, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses. My opinion of it stands, I expressed it, you kept defending it, which you had the right to, I didn't tell you to stop thinking that.

But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing. I don't know what else there is to say, im not going to tell people their music is great, that is a disservice. Nobody wants to work on their craft, which is going to hijack any idea they have in music more than anything I have to say





Guilty as charged regarding the other site. I did in fact troll it. Didn't start out that way, but it was so poorly admin'd that it devolved into nothing but acrimonious insults long before I got there. All of the real songwriters who had some real-life-view of the actual music business left and all that remained were ammy songwriters and lousy musicians. I hung around and enjoyed handing all of the crap back that came at me. I used it for an "internet litter box" ...until they banned me. It took 4 years for the admins there to display enough common sense to ban me. Now they're gone altogether.

But this one remains and I have never done that here. Because, this is a good site. No forum is perfect but it's a good place.

You are the sole troll here. You are the disrupter of the greater good and the agent who causes better people to withdraw.
Many of your "honest opinions" aren't particularly correct. But that isn't the problem. It's the way that you deliver them. You troll for people making statements in comment threads and then attack the statement and ultimately devolve into attacking the person. And people with better things to do... leave. The residue of all of that is that you and your "honest opinions" is all that remains. Your last post addressing me was a good nonsensical example of the mess that is you and your "honest opinions."

You clearly see yourself as a "defender and warrior of the truth." You aren't.
"But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing."

Truthfully, that is the best idea that you have had.




You dont do it here, because at that time you didnt have Mike Zaneski recording your demos for peanuts, now you want to be taken seriously. That's fine, people can change and become decent people, but dont act like "trolling" is beneath you.

I had more people email telling me to come back with different names on that site, they enjoyed me, they didnt like the guy running it even though they didnt say it publicly. I didnt either, he tried to correct any opeinon one had to his liking.

I feel alot of people do like Brian here, based on observation and conversation.

The site has gotten where it's "lyricist A/Mike Zaneski" as the threat title. In other words, if you pay Mike for your demo, you will get replies.

Then it's a "who will have the best demo done by Mike Zaneski" contest. It's beyond stupid.

Anybody can buy a demo, it takes work to be a great songwriter.

And as I suggested before, YOU disappear, lets see if anybody cares...





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You keep calling me out. Why don't you stop? Are you able?

Regarding me and demos....You got it wrong again.

Been doing them for years. Was a rocker as a kid. Played lead guitar. Still have the 72Strat that my mom bought me new for making good grades. I don't get in bands anymore because of druggies, drunks and drama. e.g. people like you. (and I'm old)

I used to rent studio time, do vocal tracks, lead and rhythm tracks and then pay musicians to add drums and piano.

Mike came along and now I can sit at my computer and record g/v's and upload them and he uses his extensive and daily expanding digital skills to make them a real sounding song..
I get back a recording from him that most people cannot recognize from one done in a studio.

And you...somehow...have turned that into a bad thing. Which is ludicrous and typical of your pathological and distorted thinking.

"Truth Warriors keep their promises.

"But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing."



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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
You keep calling me out. Why don't you stop? Are you able?

Regarding me and demos....You got it wrong again.

Been doing them for years. Was a rocker as a kid. Played lead guitar. Still have the 72Strat that my mom bought me new for making good grades. I don't get in bands anymore because of druggies, drunks and drama. e.g. people like you. (and I'm old)

I used to rent studio time, do vocal tracks, lead and rhythm tracks and then pay musicians to add drums and piano.

Mike came along and now I can sit at my computer and record g/v's and upload them and he uses his extensive and daily expanding skills to make them a real sounding song.
I get back a recording from him that most people cannot recognize from one done in a studio.

And you...somehow...have turned that into a bad thing. Which is ludicrous and typical of your pathological and distorted thinking. You are an argument looking for something to land on.

"Truth Warriors keep their promises.

"But if my honest opinions are considered hijacking, i'll stop contributing."




Well maybe im landing on it, because its such a big fat target? Do you see anybody else talking like you? Maybe your self importance is on overload.

Try disappearing for a while and lets see if the site changes. Then ill try, and well compare the difference

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I like commenting on people's songs. Usually that's just brief praise.

And I made no bullshit empty promise to keep my opinions to myself as you are welching on.

BUT...I'll stay out of these non musical threads if it keeps you out.

Deal?

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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
I like commenting on people's songs. Usually that's just brief praise.

And I made no bullshit empty promise to keep my opinions to myself as you are welching on.

BUT...I'll stay out of these non musical threads if it keeps you out.

Deal?


Ok, since thats what you want, i WONT do that. But I will do is be fake and tell everybody everything is great. I might even tell you one of your songs is great? Wouldnt that be a hoot?

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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Martin Lide
I like commenting on people's songs. Usually that's just brief praise.

And I made no bullshit empty promise to keep my opinions to myself as you are welching on.

BUT...I'll stay out of these non musical threads if it keeps you out.

Deal?


Ok, since thats what you want, i WONT do that. But I will do is be fake and tell everybody everything is great. I might even tell you one of your songs is great? Wouldnt that be a hoot?

#1147231 - 12/20/18 02:08 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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FD you said, "You also don't have authority over all because you do demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owl, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses."

So I'll just bite off this much and discuss it with you.

You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?

Why? Because I responded saying that "no matter your intentions here, it will always be tainted by the fact that you've been banned several times and thumbed your nose at Brian and Midnite by continuing to come back here" ..? How is that me saying I feel like I'm superior or have authority? I am not saying I personally banned you, which would have been an act of wielding authority. I am simply talking about true events that transpired over the last couple of years that I simply was an observer of.

My BIAB thread was not about "let's discuss our opinions about if BIAB is any good as a tool or not" --it was about "how to get the most out of it" Many people use it. I knew some cool things that might help them and felt like sharing. But then you changed the topic to "BIAB can't be taken seriously as a tool" and instead of sharing tips and secrets and how to do cool things with the software, I am writing post after post, finding myself in the position of having to defend the software, which was idiotic, because whether or not BIAB sucks, the fact is that folks use it and continue to use it. I was simply trying to share what I had learned about the software.

My opinion of BIAB is informed by years of using it. It doesn't make it a better opinion (opinions are like __, everyone's got one) but perhaps a more informed one?. And because I've used it for years, I wanted to share things about how to get more out of it. Somehow, in your mind, this translates to me thinking that my opinion about BIAB is "better than any one elses" Nope. Never said that, never insinuated it. I was simply a guy in a position to share knowledge, which I did. Then, in your reductive way, you assert that I think my opinion about it is BETTER.

As to your sweeping generalization that other people see me as a "wise old owl" --I can't control what other people think about me and like with you, I'm sure OP's thoughts about me are quite varied as well.

One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that.

Mike


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I don't want to get drawn into this back and forth. What I do want to know is where is this BIAB tutorial? Mike produces some superb tracks and I'd be more than happy to profit from his wisdom, since he is generous enough to share it.

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Hi Gavin,

http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthr...g-great-demos-with-biab.html#Post1131048


And I believe you've already been there, commented and everything.

It's more an introduction than a proper tutorial--about what it can give you (a band that can follow any chords in a ton of styles) and cannot do (echo a specific melody) and some tips about putting multiple "takes" in one's DAW then cross-fading the best bits, and things like that.

...and btw, thanks!

Mike

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#1147241 - 12/21/18 11:18 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
FD you said, "You also don't have authority over all because you do demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owl, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses."

So I'll just bite off this much and discuss it with you.

You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?

Why? Because I responded saying that "no matter your intentions here, it will always be tainted by the fact that you've been banned several times and thumbed your nose at Brian and Midnite by continuing to come back here" ..? How is that me saying I feel like I'm superior or have authority? I am not saying I personally banned you, which would have been an act of wielding authority. I am simply talking about true events that transpired over the last couple of years that I simply was an observer of.

My BIAB thread was not about "let's discuss our opinions about if BIAB is any good as a tool or not" --it was about "how to get the most out of it" Many people use it. I knew some cool things that might help them and felt like sharing. But then you changed the topic to "BIAB can't be taken seriously as a tool" and instead of sharing tips and secrets and how to do cool things with the software, I am writing post after post, finding myself in the position of having to defend the software, which was idiotic, because whether or not BIAB sucks, the fact is that folks use it and continue to use it. I was simply trying to share what I had learned about the software.

My opinion of BIAB is informed by years of using it. It doesn't make it a better opinion (opinions are like __, everyone's got one) but perhaps a more informed one?. And because I've used it for years, I wanted to share things about how to get more out of it. Somehow, in your mind, this translates to me thinking that my opinion about BIAB is "better than any one elses" Nope. Never said that, never insinuated it. I was simply a guy in a position to share knowledge, which I did. Then, in your reductive way, you assert that I think my opinion about it is BETTER.

As to your sweeping generalization that other people see me as a "wise old owl" --I can't control what other people think about me and like with you, I'm sure OP's thoughts about me are quite varied as well.

One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that.

Mike



"You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?:
No. absoultely not, but others do. Can you imagine somebody here saying "mike, biab sounds like elevator music, but its all i can afford, so i do it" What would happen then, their relationship with you and you them would change. And they dont want that. Frankly im tired of seeing MIKE worked his magic....no he did not he came up with a decent demo of a mediocre song

"One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that."

Because it's about the people isnt it? Grass roots, not what one person thinks. I wasnt around here for over two years, but i do correspond with some folks, and they are the ones that came up with the idea. And honestly Mike, you talk about self respect, and self pride?

Ok I wont go there, i know you are business man.....



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#1147242 - 12/21/18 11:22 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
FD you said, "You also don't have authority over all because you do demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owl, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses."

So I'll just bite off this much and discuss it with you.

You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?

Why? Because I responded saying that "no matter your intentions here, it will always be tainted by the fact that you've been banned several times and thumbed your nose at Brian and Midnite by continuing to come back here" ..? How is that me saying I feel like I'm superior or have authority? I am not saying I personally banned you, which would have been an act of wielding authority. I am simply talking about true events that transpired over the last couple of years that I simply was an observer of.

My BIAB thread was not about "let's discuss our opinions about if BIAB is any good as a tool or not" --it was about "how to get the most out of it" Many people use it. I knew some cool things that might help them and felt like sharing. But then you changed the topic to "BIAB can't be taken seriously as a tool" and instead of sharing tips and secrets and how to do cool things with the software, I am writing post after post, finding myself in the position of having to defend the software, which was idiotic, because whether or not BIAB sucks, the fact is that folks use it and continue to use it. I was simply trying to share what I had learned about the software.

My opinion of BIAB is informed by years of using it. It doesn't make it a better opinion (opinions are like __, everyone's got one) but perhaps a more informed one?. And because I've used it for years, I wanted to share things about how to get more out of it. Somehow, in your mind, this translates to me thinking that my opinion about BIAB is "better than any one elses" Nope. Never said that, never insinuated it. I was simply a guy in a position to share knowledge, which I did. Then, in your reductive way, you assert that I think my opinion about it is BETTER.

As to your sweeping generalization that other people see me as a "wise old owl" --I can't control what other people think about me and like with you, I'm sure OP's thoughts about me are quite varied as well.

One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that.

Mike



"You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?:
No. absoultely not, but others do. Can you imagine somebody here saying "mike, biab sounds like elevator music, but its all i can afford, so i do it" What would happen then, their relationship with you and you them would change. And they dont want that. Frankly im tired of seeing MIKE worked his magic....no he did not he came up with a decent demo of a mediocre song

"One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that."

Because it's about the people isnt it? Grass roots, not what one person thinks. I wasnt around here for over two years, but i do correspond with some folks, and they are the ones that came up with the idea. And honestly Mike, you talk about self respect, and self pride?

Ok I wont go there, i know you are business man.....





And there you have it once again.
A fitting place to end this thread.

#1147243 - 12/21/18 11:27 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
Originally Posted by Fdemetrio
Originally Posted by Michael Zaneski
FD you said, "You also don't have authority over all because you do demos for people. It always amazes me how somebody who is decent at music is seen as a wise ole owl, as if his opinion of biab is better than anyone elses."

So I'll just bite off this much and discuss it with you.

You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?

Why? Because I responded saying that "no matter your intentions here, it will always be tainted by the fact that you've been banned several times and thumbed your nose at Brian and Midnite by continuing to come back here" ..? How is that me saying I feel like I'm superior or have authority? I am not saying I personally banned you, which would have been an act of wielding authority. I am simply talking about true events that transpired over the last couple of years that I simply was an observer of.

My BIAB thread was not about "let's discuss our opinions about if BIAB is any good as a tool or not" --it was about "how to get the most out of it" Many people use it. I knew some cool things that might help them and felt like sharing. But then you changed the topic to "BIAB can't be taken seriously as a tool" and instead of sharing tips and secrets and how to do cool things with the software, I am writing post after post, finding myself in the position of having to defend the software, which was idiotic, because whether or not BIAB sucks, the fact is that folks use it and continue to use it. I was simply trying to share what I had learned about the software.

My opinion of BIAB is informed by years of using it. It doesn't make it a better opinion (opinions are like __, everyone's got one) but perhaps a more informed one?. And because I've used it for years, I wanted to share things about how to get more out of it. Somehow, in your mind, this translates to me thinking that my opinion about BIAB is "better than any one elses" Nope. Never said that, never insinuated it. I was simply a guy in a position to share knowledge, which I did. Then, in your reductive way, you assert that I think my opinion about it is BETTER.

As to your sweeping generalization that other people see me as a "wise old owl" --I can't control what other people think about me and like with you, I'm sure OP's thoughts about me are quite varied as well.

One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that.

Mike



"You think I believe I have authority over all because I do demos for people? Seriously?:
No. absoultely not, but others do. Can you imagine somebody here saying "mike, biab sounds like elevator music, but its all i can afford, so i do it" What would happen then, their relationship with you and you them would change. And they dont want that. Frankly im tired of seeing MIKE worked his magic....no he did not he came up with a decent demo of a mediocre song

"One difference between us, though, is that if Brian banned me, for whatever reason, I wouldn't come back as someone else. Partly out of respect to his wishes, partly out of self pride, partly because I couldn't live with the thought of how pathetic I was, to need to do that."

Because it's about the people isnt it? Grass roots, not what one person thinks. I wasnt around here for over two years, but i do correspond with some folks, and they are the ones that came up with the idea. And honestly Mike, you talk about self respect, and self pride?

Ok I wont go there, i know you are business man.....





And there you have it once again.
A fitting place to end this thread.


Indeed, a pathetic "let me chime in because Mike said something" maybe hell record me again...

its no surprise why you are kissing up Martin, it's just kinda corny and fake.

#1147244 - 12/21/18 11:29 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Fdemetrio]  
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[/quote]




Indeed, a pathetic "let me chime in because Mike said something" maybe hell record me again...

its no surprise why you are kissing up Martin, it's just kinda corny and fake.




[/quote]

#1147245 - 12/21/18 11:33 AM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Martin Lide]  
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Originally Posted by Martin Lide
[/quote]

Indeed, a pathetic "let me chime in because Mike said something" maybe hell record me again...

its no surprise why you are kissing up Martin, it's just kinda corny and fake.

[/quote]



You know being a jpf superstar might be fun, but will it help you?

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#1147250 - 12/21/18 02:44 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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FD, the quite obvious contradiction in your speel is that you spout "equality of opinion" ("look at Mike, he thinks his opinion is better") and then in your next breath infer that Rob is the only really truly, honest one and that basically, anyone who says "I like that" is not being honest. This seems especially true when there are mixed opinions in threads that Rob has commented on. Rob's opinion is truer than that of those who differ with him. Can you see that glaring contradiction in the pattern of your comments? You say we are all entitled to an opinion, and they're all equal, in one breath, then say that some opinions are truer than others in your very next breath.

BTW, do you notice Rob has stayed out of this talk? Do you think he appreciated how you kept baiting him to come back in Travis' thread a couple weeks ago?

And if you think anybody read you say "it's because it's about the people isn't it?" didn't have a good laugh there, well.. you yourself can't be straight faced while you say that, can you? Okay, it's a little clever that you are paraphrasing Brian..but why don't you expand on that LOL--as if that's how you really feel, when the fact is that if ANYONE would confront you, you'd just as quickly and knee-jerkingly go off on them, too, telling them what you "really felt about them" --like some virtual demon that has possessed a body known as FD.

Hmmm..cinematic demons who possess bodies? Unless you perform the correct ritual, that demon will slip into and possess someone else..Internet trolls similarly need to change their alias to 'stay alive'..

Curiously enough, that cinematic version of demons that possess bodies--they have one other thing in common with internet trolls. Both guard their real name with their life, for you can't get rid of a demon (who's possessing a body) unless you call it by it's real name. This is fascinating parallel to me. I predict that there will be some future movie where the devil possesses someone, and then they, like..do their damage on Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram. A comedy, of course. smile

Mike

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Fate doesn't hang on a wrong or right choice
Fortune depends on the tone of your voice

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from the album "Casanova" (1996)
#1147251 - 12/21/18 02:55 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Aw, Humm, Well,
The News, good or bad is my former Publisher is moving back to Brunswick. His family was in New York and then one of them
moved back to Brunswick as one of the young girls missed Brunswick and moved back. So he is moving back to be closer to his family. So, FD be d***ed other things are happening.

Oh, by the way, my real name is Echomire Shuckother just so you know. Write a hit!


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#1147252 - 12/21/18 03:15 PM Re: SONG TONE [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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GOOD LORD WHAT IS THIS?

Man, I started this thread just because people write a lot of angry, bitter, dour and depressing songs and I suggested if people want more attention to not do that QUITE so much! Don't know when this weird part of this thread ran off the rails but WOW!!!! That is strange.

Well, I still believe what I did from the beginning and more so now. Has really nothing to do with the Beatles or blues or anything. Just a darker tone in a lot of songs In my opinion there is enough anger and bitterness in real life that we don't need it ALWAYS in music as well.

But I will say this on the blues and country music. There most certainly IS a direct component from the blues into country music's development, and one of my distant relatives did it. My Grandmother's second cousin was Jimmie Rodgers. Jimmie was a singer of folk and old blues songs (Negro Spirituals) who came into National prominence in 1926 on an album called "THE BRISTOL SESSIONS" where he was featured with other singers, most notably Mother Maybelle Carter and the Carter family. The record sold around 4 million copies in a very depressed time. But most experts credit that album with the beginning of modern country music.

It brought together traditional music that had not been recorded, from the mountain elements of bluegrass, folk and story telling, and blues and African music from the Mississippi Delta.

So yes, there is definiatly a blues component in country music, although now everything has entered into the equation. But I know it is there because members of MY FAMILY brought it there. So I shoulder the blame for everything.

So there. End of rant. This is a pretty funny thread.

Happy holidays to all of you.
MAB

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