Who's Online Now
21 registered members (couchgrouch, Dave Rice, 9ne, beechnut79, Gavin Sinclair, Calvin, Harriet Ames, Brian Austin Whitney, Everett Adams, 2 invisible), and 379 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
MATT STONEHAM
MATT STONEHAM
Le Monde
Posts: 158
Joined: January 2007
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
Cloud Dreaming
by Travis david. 10/21/18 04:43 PM
I've Already Seen This Movie
by Travis david. 10/21/18 04:43 PM
"Star Struck Out"
by Travis david. 10/21/18 04:41 PM
OUR LITTLE TOWN. First draft complete lyric
by Travis david. 10/21/18 04:31 PM
NEW CD "Old Letters" now on CDBaby
by Vicarn. 10/21/18 04:15 PM
Re-Balance Your Life
by beechnut79. 10/21/18 03:08 PM
Simple Pleasures
by beechnut79. 10/21/18 03:07 PM
WHEN. ( Simple lyric of losing someone)
by beechnut79. 10/21/18 03:05 PM
An Empty Lap
by beechnut79. 10/21/18 03:04 PM
Chaplain, a prayer.1st draft completed + new title
by beechnut79. 10/21/18 03:01 PM
The Mooners
by Calvin. 10/21/18 01:49 PM
In France
by Gavin Sinclair. 10/21/18 01:07 PM
Trade In
by Moosesong. 10/21/18 11:33 AM
I Hope I Die At Night
by Gavin Sinclair. 10/21/18 10:05 AM
Mega Millions... Now what?
by Ray E. Strode. 10/21/18 10:03 AM
The Spine: You're Using It Wrong
by Vicarn. 10/21/18 09:36 AM
YouTube...
by Calvin. 10/20/18 03:46 PM
SAME AS YOU INSIDE.Deej/Travis. Got a Radio Play!
by Travis david. 10/19/18 12:39 PM
2018 Movie...
by John Lawrence Schick. 10/19/18 07:41 AM
That Lake
by Travis david. 10/19/18 07:41 AM
Is there Pro Music Industry people on this website
by Brian Austin Whitney. 10/19/18 04:01 AM
How many of you wrote number 1 songs
by Brian Austin Whitney. 10/19/18 03:51 AM
Big Jim Merrilees
by Brian Austin Whitney. 10/19/18 03:35 AM
His Eyes
by Tom Franz. 10/18/18 11:30 PM
Lyrics that need music
by Dave Rice. 10/18/18 09:56 PM
Charging for images
by Sue Rarick. 10/17/18 10:34 PM
Show me with Laura Kelsey
by Vicarn. 10/17/18 03:15 PM
That Secret Summer Place
by beechnut79. 10/17/18 10:32 AM
A Day in the Stream
by beechnut79. 10/17/18 10:31 AM
Leaving You Behind
by beechnut79. 10/17/18 10:27 AM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,618
Travis david 11,078
Kevin Emmrich 10,541
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,571
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,841
glynda 8,579
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
Colin Ward 7,899
couchgrouch 7,392
Corey 7,357
Dave Rice 6,839
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
Mark Kaufman 6,436
Joe Wrabek 6,403
ben willis 6,094
Vicarn 5,837
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,604
niteshift 5,446
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,623
Blake Hill 4,528
Neil Cotton 4,393
Bob Cushing 4,352
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Cindy Miller 4,178
Tom Shea 4,173
TamsNumber4 4,032
Roy Cooper 4,009
nightengale 3,965
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,783
Dan Sullivan 3,710
MFB III 3,687
beechnut79 3,446
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
E Swartz 3,156
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,887
Harriet Ames 2,870
Nigel Quin 2,809
MidniteBob 2,707
Nelson 2,570
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,241
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
Wendy D 2,184
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,012
DukeWill 1,984
floyd jane 1,980
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
maccharles 1,878
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,629
Noel Downs 1,620
Rick Heenan 1,582
Cal 1,574
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,461
Tom Franz 1,453
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Kenneth Cade 1,429
Rick Norton 1,428
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,406
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
GocartMoz 1,387
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,292
DakLander 1,265
Ian Ferrin 1,230
PeteG 1,228
Glen King 1,212
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
Diane Ewing 1,158
Martin Lide 1,118
Gerry 1,090
summeoyo 1,085
joro 1,081
BobbyJoe 1,075
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
lane1777 1,026
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
Wolvman 960
IronKnee 940
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 827
Juan 797
TKO 784
frahmes 781
Deej56 768
9ne 766
teletwang 762
90 dB 745
Andy K 739
tbryson 737
Andy Kemp 733
ant 732
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dayson 703
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Fdemetrio 654
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Pat Hardy 599
Irwin 593
Shandy 589
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 565
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
Moosesong 551
musica 539
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 511
goodfolks 499
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
R&M 471
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Cecilee 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
Alek 356
papaG 353
Z - man 350
John K 348
JamesDF5 347
Jaden 344
ddreuter 341
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 293
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
pomeranj 289
Char 286
ktunes 285
markus-ky 284
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#1112383 - 08/05/16 01:37 PM Copyright words and music separately???  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 155
Donna Dutchess Offline
Serious Contributor
Donna Dutchess  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 155
WNY, USA
I was given the strangest advice yesterday. "Make sure you copyright the words separately and the music separately. that way no one can steal the lyrics from you." I have never heard this before and have always just done both together. This came from a copyright lawyer. Thoughts?


https://donnadutchessmusic.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/donnadutchesssongwriter
https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchessdnn
#1112385 - 08/05/16 02:32 PM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,053
Ray E. Strode Online content
Top 30 Poster
Ray E. Strode  Online Content
Top 30 Poster

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,053
Brunswick, Ga. USA
Well,
No. You can only copyright a song one time. Simply speaking you can and should send a basic sound file to the copyright office. On the copyright form you simply check words and music in the block that asks type of authorship.


Ray E. Strode
#1112424 - 08/06/16 01:38 AM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,038
Marc Barnette Offline
Top 50 Poster
Marc Barnette  Offline
Top 50 Poster

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,038
Nashville, Tn.
Sounds like an attorney with visions of winning the "lawsuit lottery". Complete nonsense. You actually CANNOT copyright the lyrics and music separate. No one STEALS anything, that is a myth. Everyone borrows and everything comes from something else. I am sure this Lawyer will help you copyright the phrase "I Love you" since no one has ever done that before.

Probably be a good idea to not take legal advice from someone who specializes in personal injury. I hope you haven't paid him anything, because that is what he/she is worth. Make sure you sue HIM for Legal malpractice. Maybe he'll end up with the same attorney that had the recent "Led Zepplin/Stairway to Heaven" lawsuit that got laughed out of court. He got suspended from practicing law, is being countersued for all damages and court costs, and is getting everything he so richly deserves for bringing such a huge slice of idiocy.

Birds of a feather...

MAB

#1113108 - 08/14/16 05:34 AM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Marc Barnette]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,562
Brian Austin Whitney Online content
Brian Austin Whitney  Online Content


Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,562
Indianapolis, IN USA
Thank you for beating me to it Marc.


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@aol.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney
Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney

"It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..."

[Linked Image]
#1118897 - 11/04/16 05:58 AM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 599
Pat Hardy Offline
Top 500 Poster
Pat Hardy  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 599
Originally Posted by Donna Dutchess
I was given the strangest advice yesterday. "Make sure you copyright the words separately and the music separately. that way no one can steal the lyrics from you." I have never heard this before and have always just done both together. This came from a copyright lawyer. Thoughts?



Well, if you want to pay twice as much for a copyright, go for it, otherwise, the advice is nonsense.

Also, the advice demonstrates lack of knowledge of what a copyright is. A registration with the copyright office is NOT a copyright. It is just a protection of the copyright which was created the moment the song was put in "tangible" form, either on sheet music, or an audio recording. Once they are put to tangible form, the lyric and music are inextricably bound, unless there is something in writing and mutually agreed upon that states otherwise. This is why I have a collaboration agreement with collaborators which has language that states "both parties agree that a state of copyright does not exist until the composer registers the copyright with the copyright office" because if I allow a lyricists lyrics to be put to my song, I want to get feedback on words and music together before I allow a binding copyright to exist.

In fact, some might argue your registration is a waste of money until you release the song, because the odds of someone stealing is farely remote.

Becuase my melodies are composed long before anyone puts words to them, I copyright the music indepedent of any words and music version. I do this because when lyrics zre added at a later date, that version will exist as a "derivative" of the original. A derivative copyright is one where the lyricist registers the copyright of the words and music but, on the copyright application, excludes the music from protection ( it's already registered and the registration number is referenced in the exclusion section in the application ). As a derivative, the gives me the freedom to find another lyric, if it is proven ( by my own determination ) that the lyric is holding the melody down. I do this because Im not as good at judging lyrics as I am music and don't trust my own judgement, I let others and feedback tell me. Often, the feedback from friends is not as good as the professionals in the industry ( but the reverse, indeed, could be true, as well ).

Last edited by pathardy; 11/04/16 06:19 AM.
#1119297 - 11/11/16 02:05 PM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Pat Hardy]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,053
Ray E. Strode Online content
Top 30 Poster
Ray E. Strode  Online Content
Top 30 Poster

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,053
Brunswick, Ga. USA
In the past there were songs, Instrumentals that had words added to them sometime later.
San Antonio Rose by Bob Wills was first only an instrumental but words were added sometime later. So it is done from time to time but if you have songs with both words and music you would register both at the same time. Just send a complete file and check the blocks words and music.


Ray E. Strode

Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Membership
Join Just Plain Folks
to receive the free
JPNotes Newsletter!
*this is separate from
message board registration*

Newest Members
TommyGunnLatham, JC_Forsyth, ryan_bryan, leerousi, GrooveSum
21106 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums116
Topics118,372
Posts1,115,936
Members21,107
Average Posts Daily25
Most Online1,506
Mar 16th, 2017
Just Plain Quotes
"The least expensive/highest return thing you can do for your career, no matter what the level is, is to be nice and polite to people." –Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
acousticwriter63 (55)
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0