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Yeah, the system is rigged against songwriters, it's called antiquated consent decree laws.
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Or the song "I'll Love You Till Rigor Mortis Sets In". Alright, I'm out of here... John
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By the way, I should have started by stating the obvious:
EVERYTHING IS RIGGED. Freedom has become a forgotten concept and eventually it will be painfully clear how little real freedom any of us have. There is no honesty, was never fairness, and it is all controlled by liars and cheats at all levels of government, corporations and social justice cash grabs. It's a fixed game. And we have our collective selves to blame.
Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Or the song "I'll Love You Till Rigor Mortis Sets In". Alright, I'm out of here... John That was painful, John. Cute, but painful:-) Midnite
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Hey All,
Nothing is rigged.
You're simply not good enough in comparison to your competition.
Stop whining like a spoilt child.
You make and market a product. Your competition does the same and does it better. Don't even get me started on "talent".
As JPF Mentor Mike Dunbar says.... "Adapt or die"
It reminds me of the sheet music wars in NYC in about 1905 ( correct me if I'm wrong )
cheers, niteshift
Ps - my last quarterlies amounted to $13.73
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The true fact is hardly anyone can write a song that is capable of making millions. Or even thousands. i haven't heard a song from this forum or any Internet forum that blew me away like wow that was amazing, I could hear that on the radio! There have been songs that I liked. But liked doesn't always generate money.
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The true fact is hardly anyone can write a song that is capable of making millions. Or even thousands. i haven't heard a song from this forum or any Internet forum that blew me away like wow that was amazing, I could hear that on the radio! There have been songs that I liked. But liked doesn't always generate money. I've written 1500 songs (counting the lyrics), and only 2 of them have made money. It's about production. To be on radio, songs have to SOUND like what is currently on radio. And that gets more expensive all the time.
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Regarding the CDs I've done with these girls, I let them keep the money from what they sell while I pay for everything.
That is going to stop, however. The days of giving money away are over!
TRUMP 2016 & 2020
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Hi everyone! my 1st post in how long? I'm not into the debate of it all here and it's been a month since the last post here. I hope I'm not staring up something. I think it's still fun to write songs. Do your best work and put it out there or not. up to you. For me if I have a fully done song I would just put it up for people to hear and buy. I'm working on fully produced songs now having only done demo in the past. I truly believe that normal people (non songwriters) will buy something if they like it. And the real problem here is distribution. It will be as a rule in any business "you have to spent to make" not just gear and a DAW but marketing as well. If you believe in your song, you need to find a place to market it. That's the real problem. I would think if songwriters cut off the head of the dragon by not releasing our songs to "The Big Boys" things would have to change and then the online would have only the sub standers to play. So I guess it's all of our faults for making it easy for online distributors to take us all for a ride if we let them. People can do what they want and that's cool to me... and I don't think it hurts anyone else. Your song my song, any song. it's still just a song and if people get to hear it and like They may buy it or not and 100 billon bad songs won't stop a good songs if it can be marketed right. Peace! *Please don't pick on me for typo's,bad grammar and spelling... I really can't help it. Sorry
Spelling and grammer are not my thing, so excuse the type-Os... Iffin I don't review your song, sorry, I'm trying to stay with styles I like. But I do listen to all on 2 pages when I have time.
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Hey Dave,
Keep goin' mate and keep writing them.
Yes, you're quite correct. Whatever song you release should have a PR budget DOUBLE your production costs.
If you can't get it "out there" you have no chance.
cheers, niteshift
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Dave, much of what you say is true. It is fun and if you believe in it, you should spend what you can to support your beliefs. But the entire "If we didn't let the big boys have our songs..." is always an unrealistic argument. If "WE" or anyone DIDN'T try to get songs to the "big boys" or anyone, there would be quite millions of OTHER PEOPLE WHO WOULD. That is where the argument of "holding back" music ends.
There are too many people that will do whatever they can, will work for FREE or even PAY TO PLAY to have their music heard. so a few people deciding NOT to do that would have no effect at all, in fact, would just thin out the competition for themselves.
So do what you believe for YOUR song. No one else is going to take care of your product like YOU.
MAB
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Yea, I get the whole too many people working for free and all. lol But I'm so vain that I think that my songs are better then the guy working for free. just kidding. have a nice night folks
Spelling and grammer are not my thing, so excuse the type-Os... Iffin I don't review your song, sorry, I'm trying to stay with styles I like. But I do listen to all on 2 pages when I have time.
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Good Dave. That is what you are SUPPOSED to feel. Of course EVERYBODY ELSE THINKS THEIR SONGS ARE WORTH MORE THAN YOURS. So that is the conundrum. YOU have to convince people that you are correct, and the problem the internet creates is a two edge sword.
The GOOD NEWS: YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT, ANYWHERE YOU WANT. The BAD NEWS: SO CAN EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH.
The Internet is a TOOL. For most people, particuarley when it comes to songs and songwriters, it is a secondary BLIP of an electronic information. As I type this, millions of communications, emails, advertising, videos, and yes, songs, are put up there. Unless someone is actually looking for you or following you on your activities, it is gone before the blink of an eye.
The solution? Well there is not one really. If you could convince the whole world NOT to put anything up there, while you get YOUR songs up there, that might be a start. Outside of that, you are going to have to do what everyone else does. Build your own following and fan base, appeal to that fan base (or find artists that appeal to that fan base) and try to fill the demand for your product. But first you have to CREATE that demand.
Too many songwriters live in their living rooms and never step outside. Most writers and artists are introverted, so this is pretty normal. And it actually works for a lot. Most people don't really care to participate in any of the business, or even the marketing of their music. They just want to make it, enjoy themselves.
It's very much like GOLF. Millions and tens of millions of people enjoy getting out there, buying funny clothes, equipment, paying greens fees, get on web sites, watch it on television, take golf vacations, take lessons, drive those little carts around, in the fresh air and sunshine, whacking around that little white ball, into the woods and have a good time drinking beer with their friends. Very few even participate in the local club tournament, much less expect to play the Masters.
Tens of millions of people love to pick up their instruments, sit behind a computer, hang around smokey or non smokey resturants and bars, get on web sites, take lessons, buy funny clothes,go on music vacations, hang out and drink beer with their friends, without ever thinking they'll be on a huge stage in New York, LA, Nashville, London, Paris, Toronto and all points in between.
Pretty much the same thing. Enjoy yourself. All you really need to be concerned about.
MAB
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Hey Marc, Just a quiet aside to your rule that you can't be famous from your bedroom.... and to prove the rule... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoRbUUUGPfQAnd then here..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cyofxo274M with one of the most famous guitarists in the world. The man is now in high demand. It both proves and breaks the rule, in that it's about sheer perseverance, talent and KNOWING and practising which is what does it. If you don't wish to work and learn, there's not much hope. cheers, niteshift
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Sounds like a great idea?
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Hey Night shift. You are correct. And there are a lot of these type of "Goes Viral to big success stories" out there. As always, I have a few personal examples: One of my former songwriter tour clients, had written a song, "I Pray for You", with an artist and friend of his. They recorded it all themselves, did a video on it, and put it on YOU TUBE. The song got a ton of airplay and actually reached number 39 on the country charts. The video was forwarded it to a high level producer, Scott Borchetta, (Taylor Swift's producer/manager) and he liked it so much, he RECUT the song and video, using a famous Hollywood actress Jamie Pressly. The song went back UP the charts and ended up at number 19. Which landed my friend, Joel, a publishing deal and producing more artists. http://search.aol.com/aol/video?q=i+pray+for+you&v_t=client97_searchbox-acThere are many more examples and they happen all the time. Of course, like everything with the Internet, as there are more and more of them, the heights they reach purely from the Internet are getting less and less. But it is a great tool. Heck, I EVEN get some activity from my things on YOU TUBE. Never quite realized how MANY things I have up there, but I seemingly constantly run into people, or people come to Nashville to work with me, and they show me some OTHER thing I didn't know that was up there. Always pretty funny to see videos of me that I did years ago. Proves you NEVER know where things are going to end up. MAB
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Before there was any way to record music you had to play live to make it as a musician. I realize that has always been the case even after recorded music but it seems that it is becoming more necessary in the digital age than it was in the interim period of the analog era. One thing that the digital age has made possible is to perform from your living room (or any room for that matter) and get fans and a little money as well with online venues. Also there is a network of house concerts that can be accessed online. House concerts offer artists a small intimate experience with an attentive audience that you won't get playing in most public venues and all money collected goes to the artist. Something else the digital age has made possible is for artists who have a following is to do a crowdfunding project and have their music presold. Like MAB said: "The GOOD NEWS: YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT, ANYWHERE YOU WANT.The BAD NEWS: SO CAN EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH." Luck happens but it is where preparation meets opportunity and if opportunity comes knocking and you're not prepared you will be left behind.
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Brian Austin Whitney Founder Just Plain Folks jpfolkspro@gmail.com Skype: Brian Austin Whitney Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney "It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..." -Brian Austin Whitney "Sometimes all you have to do to inspire humans to greatness is to give them a reason and opportunity to do something great." -Brian Austin Whitney
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Before there was any way to record music you had to play live to make it as a musician. I realize that has always been the case even after recorded music but it seems that it is becoming more necessary in the digital age than it was in the interim period of the analog era. One thing that the digital age has made possible is to perform from your living room (or any room for that matter) and get fans and a little money as well with online venues. Also there is a network of house concerts that can be accessed online. House concerts offer artists a small intimate experience with an attentive audience that you won't get playing in most public venues and all money collected goes to the artist. Something else the digital age has made possible is for artists who have a following is to do a crowdfunding project and have their music presold. Like MAB said: "The GOOD NEWS: YOU CAN GET ANYTHING YOU WANT, ANYWHERE YOU WANT.The BAD NEWS: SO CAN EVERYONE ELSE ON EARTH." Luck happens but it is where preparation meets opportunity and if opportunity comes knocking and you're not prepared you will be left behind. Wow, that was a long moment. lol I get busy. ha! I agree. It always goes back to two things for me. The song and The Marketing. I don't think about anything else, it's just mind trap to think about any Competition.
Spelling and grammer are not my thing, so excuse the type-Os... Iffin I don't review your song, sorry, I'm trying to stay with styles I like. But I do listen to all on 2 pages when I have time.
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Hey All,
Nothing is rigged.
You're simply not good enough in comparison to your competition.
Stop whining like a spoilt child.
You make and market a product. Your competition does the same and does it better. Don't even get me started on "talent".
As JPF Mentor Mike Dunbar says.... "Adapt or die"
It reminds me of the sheet music wars in NYC in about 1905 ( correct me if I'm wrong )
cheers, niteshift
Ps - my last quarterlies amounted to $13.73
There is truth in your statement.
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