Who's Online Now
26 registered members (Gavin Sinclair, Dave Rice, couchgrouch, AntonyRobWells, CTthomas, Fdemetrio, Gary E. Andrews, E Swartz, Everett Adams, 7 invisible), and 246 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
nightengale
nightengale
Eugene, Or USA
Posts: 4,092
Joined: March 2009
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
Sitting To Strum: You're Doing It Wrong
by John Lawrence Schick. 10/16/19 02:12 PM
South of Chicago
by Michael Zaneski. 10/16/19 12:52 PM
What song on JPF do you remember the most
by Fdemetrio. 10/16/19 12:35 PM
Hes Not Crying In His Beer (Neil Cotton)
by Neil Cotton. 10/16/19 11:23 AM
Music In Two Movies...
by John Lawrence Schick. 10/16/19 11:17 AM
Just a Dream (Dave Rice Cover)
by Dave Rice. 10/16/19 09:23 AM
Strange Cargo
by couchgrouch. 10/16/19 12:41 AM
North Of Nashville
by 90 dB. 10/15/19 10:46 PM
My Cheesy Song - first post!
by PaulCanuck. 10/15/19 09:15 PM
I Give Up
by PaulCanuck. 10/15/19 09:04 PM
Long Way Home
by PaulCanuck. 10/15/19 08:56 PM
Sunny, With a Chance of Drinkin'
by Fdemetrio. 10/15/19 06:43 PM
SIMPLE WORDS HES MY SON
by CTthomas. 10/15/19 12:06 PM
Why so many one hit wonders?
by Fdemetrio. 10/15/19 11:00 AM
Copyright law
by Everett Adams. 10/15/19 07:59 AM
MusicXray
by Everett Adams. 10/15/19 07:52 AM
Just a rant...
by John Lawrence Schick. 10/15/19 07:14 AM
First Love, Last Love (Final Studio Version)
by E Swartz. 10/15/19 05:58 AM
Heart Broke In LA
by Deej56. 10/15/19 12:13 AM
Little Lies
by Deej56. 10/15/19 12:12 AM
::: KICK YOU OUT (Uke) :::
by Dave Rice. 10/14/19 10:54 PM
Honky Tonk Angel
by couchgrouch. 10/14/19 06:11 PM
I Have My Girl (C. Kiphen)
by JaneK. 10/14/19 04:38 PM
Spawned By The Swamp
by Calvin. 10/14/19 04:29 PM
October 13, 2019 Columbus Area
by Gary E. Andrews. 10/14/19 08:55 AM
Mama Julz Still Pumping It
by niteshift. 10/14/19 03:17 AM
Brian's FB post and surgery news
by Two Singers. 10/13/19 08:53 PM
Nothing to agree upon...
by JAPOV. 10/13/19 07:27 PM
Youre The Best Hes Ever Made
by CTthomas. 10/13/19 07:20 PM
Step In To The Light
by Calvin. 10/13/19 06:33 PM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,774
Travis david 11,592
Kevin Emmrich 10,554
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Two Singers 9,586
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,844
glynda 8,613
Mike Dunbar 8,574
Tricia Baker 8,318
Colin Ward 7,907
couchgrouch 7,574
Corey 7,357
Dave Rice 7,353
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
Mark Kaufman 6,549
Joe Wrabek 6,403
Vicarn 6,137
ben willis 6,105
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,725
Linda Sings 5,604
niteshift 5,486
KimberlyinNC 5,210
Neil Cotton 4,908
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,652
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,363
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Tom Shea 4,179
Cindy Miller 4,178
Roy Cooper 4,118
nightengale 4,092
TamsNumber4 4,058
Caroline 3,865
MFB III 3,821
Kolstad 3,813
Dan Sullivan 3,710
beechnut79 3,500
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
E Swartz 3,381
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
PopTodd 2,890
Harriet Ames 2,870
Nigel Quin 2,812
MidniteBob 2,707
Nelson 2,570
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,242
Judy Hollier 2,232
Wendy D 2,214
Erica Ellis 2,202
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,012
DukeWill 1,984
floyd jane 1,982
maccharles 1,959
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Iggy 1,650
Noel Downs 1,620
Rick Heenan 1,597
Cal 1,574
Martin Lide 1,560
Jack Swain 1,554
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
RogerS 1,462
Tom Franz 1,455
GocartMoz 1,441
Chuck Crowe 1,441
Ralph Blight 1,440
Kenneth Cade 1,429
Rick Norton 1,428
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,408
in2piano 1,404
Stan Simons 1,402
Fdemetrio 1,401
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,373
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,313
Jan Petter 1,301
scottandrew 1,292
DakLander 1,265
PeteG 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,230
Glen King 1,214
IdeaGuy 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
Diane Ewing 1,158
Gerry 1,144
summeoyo 1,126
joro 1,082
lane1777 1,075
BobbyJoe 1,075
Deej56 1,058
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
Wolvman 960
IronKnee 947
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
Drifter 886
Petra 883
9ne 882
90 dB 853
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 827
Juan 797
TKO 784
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
Andy K 744
tbryson 737
Andy Kemp 733
ant 732
Jackie444 731
3daveyO3 704
Dayson 703
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
Irwin 627
CG King 622
douglas 621
Pat Hardy 617
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Moosesong 593
Shandy 589
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 566
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
BonzaiWag 523
Roderic 522
BB Wilbur 511
goodfolks 499
R&M 492
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 399
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
Cecilee 379
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
JAPOV 376
java 374
spidey 371
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
#1112383 - 08/05/16 01:37 PM Copyright words and music separately???  
Joined: May 2006
Posts: 155
Donna Dutchess Offline
Serious Contributor
Donna Dutchess  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: May 2006
Posts: 155
WNY, USA
I was given the strangest advice yesterday. "Make sure you copyright the words separately and the music separately. that way no one can steal the lyrics from you." I have never heard this before and have always just done both together. This came from a copyright lawyer. Thoughts?


https://donnadutchessmusic.com/
http://www.reverbnation.com/#!/donnadutchesssongwriter
https://www.youtube.com/user/dutchessdnn
#1112385 - 08/05/16 02:32 PM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,279
Ray E. Strode Online content
Top 30 Poster
Ray E. Strode  Online Content
Top 30 Poster

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,279
Brunswick, Ga. USA
Well,
No. You can only copyright a song one time. Simply speaking you can and should send a basic sound file to the copyright office. On the copyright form you simply check words and music in the block that asks type of authorship.


Ray E. Strode
#1112424 - 08/06/16 01:38 AM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,086
Marc Barnette Offline
Top 50 Poster
Marc Barnette  Offline
Top 50 Poster

Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,086
Nashville, Tn.
Sounds like an attorney with visions of winning the "lawsuit lottery". Complete nonsense. You actually CANNOT copyright the lyrics and music separate. No one STEALS anything, that is a myth. Everyone borrows and everything comes from something else. I am sure this Lawyer will help you copyright the phrase "I Love you" since no one has ever done that before.

Probably be a good idea to not take legal advice from someone who specializes in personal injury. I hope you haven't paid him anything, because that is what he/she is worth. Make sure you sue HIM for Legal malpractice. Maybe he'll end up with the same attorney that had the recent "Led Zepplin/Stairway to Heaven" lawsuit that got laughed out of court. He got suspended from practicing law, is being countersued for all damages and court costs, and is getting everything he so richly deserves for bringing such a huge slice of idiocy.

Birds of a feather...

MAB

#1113108 - 08/14/16 05:34 AM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Marc Barnette]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,829
Brian Austin Whitney Offline
Brian Austin Whitney  Offline

Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,829
Indianapolis, IN USA
Thank you for beating me to it Marc.


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@aol.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney
Facebook: www.facebook.com/justplainfolks

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney

"It's easier to be the bigger man when you actually are..."

[Linked Image]
#1118897 - 11/04/16 05:58 AM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Donna Dutchess]  
Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 617
Pat Hardy Offline
Top 500 Poster
Pat Hardy  Offline
Top 500 Poster

Joined: Sep 2011
Posts: 617
Originally Posted by Donna Dutchess
I was given the strangest advice yesterday. "Make sure you copyright the words separately and the music separately. that way no one can steal the lyrics from you." I have never heard this before and have always just done both together. This came from a copyright lawyer. Thoughts?



Well, if you want to pay twice as much for a copyright, go for it, otherwise, the advice is nonsense.

Also, the advice demonstrates lack of knowledge of what a copyright is. A registration with the copyright office is NOT a copyright. It is just a protection of the copyright which was created the moment the song was put in "tangible" form, either on sheet music, or an audio recording. Once they are put to tangible form, the lyric and music are inextricably bound, unless there is something in writing and mutually agreed upon that states otherwise. This is why I have a collaboration agreement with collaborators which has language that states "both parties agree that a state of copyright does not exist until the composer registers the copyright with the copyright office" because if I allow a lyricists lyrics to be put to my song, I want to get feedback on words and music together before I allow a binding copyright to exist.

In fact, some might argue your registration is a waste of money until you release the song, because the odds of someone stealing is farely remote.

Becuase my melodies are composed long before anyone puts words to them, I copyright the music indepedent of any words and music version. I do this because when lyrics zre added at a later date, that version will exist as a "derivative" of the original. A derivative copyright is one where the lyricist registers the copyright of the words and music but, on the copyright application, excludes the music from protection ( it's already registered and the registration number is referenced in the exclusion section in the application ). As a derivative, the gives me the freedom to find another lyric, if it is proven ( by my own determination ) that the lyric is holding the melody down. I do this because Im not as good at judging lyrics as I am music and don't trust my own judgement, I let others and feedback tell me. Often, the feedback from friends is not as good as the professionals in the industry ( but the reverse, indeed, could be true, as well ).

Last edited by pathardy; 11/04/16 06:19 AM.
#1119297 - 11/11/16 02:05 PM Re: Copyright words and music separately??? [Re: Pat Hardy]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,279
Ray E. Strode Online content
Top 30 Poster
Ray E. Strode  Online Content
Top 30 Poster

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 7,279
Brunswick, Ga. USA
In the past there were songs, Instrumentals that had words added to them sometime later.
San Antonio Rose by Bob Wills was first only an instrumental but words were added sometime later. So it is done from time to time but if you have songs with both words and music you would register both at the same time. Just send a complete file and check the blocks words and music.


Ray E. Strode

Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Membership
Join Just Plain Folks
to receive the free
JPNotes Newsletter!
*this is separate from
message board registration*

Newest Members
jane_song, NancyHuebner, Gareth_Glakin, PaulCanuck, MikeNez
21228 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums116
Topics119,392
Posts1,125,466
Members21,228
Average Posts Daily45
Most Online1,589
Oct 4th, 2019
Just Plain Quotes
"Parents are notorious for telling you not to do something, but not telling you WHAT to do instead. So here are my thoughts. Don't bite the hand that feeds you, give it a manicure. Don't burn your bridges, go out and build more! And of course, Don't run with Scissors, use them to cut out your press clippings!" -Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
jarrydee (45)
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0