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#1101164 - 02/27/16 10:46 AM Who are the Koch brothers  
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I watch an interview on CBC news last night with a woman who wrote a book about the billionaires behind the scenes that back just about every person running for the nomination for the presidency, so whom ever gets elected will be in their pockets. The one name she mentioned was the Koch brothers, they are worth between them 90 billion dollars, they own a number of businesses and oil companies. They back every person running except Trump and Bernie, Trump has his own billions and don't need theirs, and Bernie is backed by small donations by the average people. The Koch brothers are spending close to a billion dollars on this election. Apparently most of the senators are backed by them too and have to sign a contract not to pass any laws that will affect their businesses. She is saying there are 400 very rich people in the USA that controls every election this way. So much for government of the people, by the people and for the people. I'd like to read that book. I've been saying that for years, in most every country that this is going on, governments are only mouth pieces for those behind the scenes pulling the strings.

#1101166 - 02/27/16 12:47 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Hi Everett:

The Koch brothers are the opposite of George Soros. The liberal press, Vanity Fair and Huffington spend most of their time vilifying the Koch brothers while worshiping at the shrine of the very anti-American creep, Soros. The fact that you saw an interview on CBC speaks volumes about the hatred of the left of the Koch's.

Our "Toadie" Congress keeps passing laws that make it possible for only the wealthy (or the minions of the wealthy) to run for and hold office in the USA. Our election process gets strung out over several months in an endless parade of caucuses and primaries designed to allow the public to be swayed by liberal reporters and their agenda.

We would be better off drawing numbers out of a hat instead of all these sham votes and wasted money. Think what could be done for the poor and needy with all that campaign money being thrown into the coffers of the news media and big networks.

The term, "Knowledge is Power" has been "trumped" by "Money is Power."

Despite all our system's flaws... it is still the best system in the free world... but fading fast.

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#1101168 - 02/27/16 01:07 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Actually David, the reason CBC covered them not because of "left wing hatred of the Koch brothers" but because they are widely seen as the driving force of the Republican Party, AND they are also major contributors to our own Fraser Institute, a right wing policy think tank. This is all newsworthy because of the current US election.


A "one off" news segment on our nightly national news channel about them and the power they wield behind the scenes is no indication of left wing bias here.


I've said this before. We in Canada are very well informed about the US because we have so many different media outlets from the US AND Canada broadcasting content right across The GWN.


Our opinions are generally speaking, well informed and devoid of the emotional content (at least WRT US issues) expressed by our southern neighbours.


Do agree with you that there are major voices and dollars on ALL sides of the spectrum, working to have their points of view represented and hopefully prevail in "the corridors of power"


If you want some good reading, I just finished 2 books by David Rothkopf. David is READ ABOUT HIM HERE and the books, Power Inc and The Superclass, uncover a lot of what lies underneath the surface of government and the exercise of power.




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#1101176 - 02/27/16 01:46 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Well, Not sure but,
I think the Koch Brothers inherited their fortune/business from their father, and have been witness to conditions in the country and have acted/tried to keep some sense of balance over a long period time mostly for the good of the country. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, waddles like a duck, it must be a duck.

Probably they are trying to prevent the Killing of the Golden Goose. Of which may already be dead.


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#1101178 - 02/27/16 01:59 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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"and have acted/tried to keep some sense of balance over a long period time mostly for the good of the country"

Ray, if that was true, then they are one of the very very few in history. Human nature, and all of history has shown us that it's all about "what is in it for me?"

Why do you think they are one of the largest campaign contributors to all kinds of political campaigns? The ONLY reason is that it gets them a seat at the table and politicians they finance take their calls. So what "is good for the country" becomes "what is good for **insert name of major political contributor here**


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#1101181 - 02/27/16 02:09 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Old man Koch, along with Robert Welch, was the co- founder of the John Birch Society, a political witch hunting society which believed President Eisenhower was a dupe of the communist party. His sons are cut from the same bolt of cloth.


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#1101182 - 02/27/16 02:20 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Well John,
Some see the glass half full, others see the glass half empty. John, everybody asks, what's in it for me! So far the peasants have "taken" actually sold a bill of goods by the "Good" People that just elect me and I will make your life so much better. Well, after a hundred years of that and a 19 Trillion Dollar Federal debt, and business that tried to do the right thing, and failed, are now out of the country. I'm sorry, but I have also been a witness to conditions in the country. Many years ago, when I was just learning the "Ropes" of life I was trying to do the right thing but some "Expert" over rode me. Another guy explained it to me as it was like trying to shovel *hit against the tide.
Well it is still happening and so far the peasants are outvoting me. But, maybe the Tide has come in and the peasants are in for a rude awakening! The Koch Brothers put millions of people to work. The Liberals, want the meager money to give away to the peasants. Good luck with that.


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#1101183 - 02/27/16 02:29 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Thanks, John:

Your opinion is highly respected and I appreciate the link. It's good that "our Northern Neighbors" are paying attention to the "circus" going on here in Yankeeland. It is sad that our general populace is too busy watching reality shows, soap operas and Hollywood oriented rot to pay attention to the erosion going on around them. When the quicksand gets too aggressive, I hope you will throw me a rope. (No, not to hang myself, lol... to pull me from the pit before the pendulum gets me!)

Have a great weekend.

----Dave

#1101196 - 02/27/16 04:07 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Humm,
One thing John. You can only enjoy so much money. The body can only take so much.
Now John, Experience is by far the best teacher you can have. Try as you may, you can only learn so much from books and then you have to get out and try your luck.
A lesson I learned early in life was in the Navy. Yes John I served. Now you would think the Command Structure was in charge of Operations. Not so! It was really the Mess Cooks that ran things. They were "Instant" Experts!

But on with the Parade! Out here in civilian Life it is the "Peasants" that really run things. Dan is a good example. So far "Dan" has run things to the tune of nearly 19 Trillion Dollars, in the red. The Koch Brothers are just Stumble Bums maybe Billionaires. Who do they think they are! I guess Carrier in Indiana got the message. They are moving to Mexico. So what's your answer to that John? I know, the peasants are still working on it. 100 years of fixing things isn't enough, eh?


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#1101249 - 02/28/16 09:40 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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In Canada there is a limit to how much can be spent by each person running for election, a bit of a safeguard so money can't completely buy an election and a government. Man is an imperfect being, so we will never get a perfect government. Man can never rule fairly because of greed, thirst for power and a me first attitude. Man's heart is evil.

#1101279 - 02/28/16 02:52 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Aw, Humm,
Everett, it appears the Master Designer didn't get it exactly right. So why does the design flaws get all loaded on the end result? God is perfect and man is flawed. Why?


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#1101357 - 02/29/16 10:35 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Because man has free will and he chose to follow the evil one, Satan. Because of Adam and Eve choosing to sin, man fell, therefore man is born in sin, sin cannot enter heaven, that is why God sent His Son Jesus to atone for our sin, but again, man has free will, he is not forced to accept this atonement, it is his choice.

#1101364 - 02/29/16 12:05 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Humm,
Free Will. So far it isn't working for me. So Everett, here is a chance to work yours. Will me up about say 500 pounds of gold, at my place in easy to handle 25 pound packages. So God gave us free will and then tells us we can't use it. Now that's a bummer. I think you need to get out more Everett. So you will be among us sinners. I am reminded of that Preacher a couple of years ago that predicted the end was here. So a lot of his Parishioners sold their belongs. I was puzzled. If the end was here why sell your things?
God sent his Son to atone for our sin? Have you read Matthew 2:2 lately Everett?


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#1101408 - 02/29/16 05:35 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Why is it that you feel the need to question someone's faith Ray?

Just because you do not believe what Everett, in his mind, heart and soul believes to be true, does not give you the right to diminish or ridicule it.









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#1101417 - 02/29/16 06:33 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Sorry John,
The Jury is still out on Organized Religion. And there are more opinions about it than you can shake a stick at. So if you differ from someone else, either keep your opinions to your self or be prepared for comments. Difference of opinions are nothing new. A long time ago Martin Luther had serious differences with the Catholic Church. It seems the Catholic Church was selling admissions to Heaven! A lot of people leave one church when it doesn't fit their beliefs and join another or don't even bother. Asking honest questions isn't ridicule of someone else's beliefs. When someone tells me something that seems wrong, I question it.
If someone tries to sell you a junk car, and tells you it is the best one you can buy you may question it. Won't you? Over the years I have found the people most involved in Religion know the least about it. And like Martin Luther, if it sounded wrong, I questioned it. Don't you?

P.S. When Everett indicates that man is evil I get disgusted. You?

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#1101426 - 02/29/16 08:02 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Sorry John,
either keep your opinions to your self or be prepared for comments.


Maybe so, Ray, but you were clearly "baiting" Everett with this:

Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Aw, Humm,
Everett, it appears the Master Designer didn't get it exactly right. So why does the design flaws get all loaded on the end result? God is perfect and man is flawed. Why?


Everett had not brought up God or organized religion. You did, and then you asked Everett to answer your question. It was all off topic on your part, and in my humble opinion, smells like trolling and baiting. Just my two cents.

So it's kinda cheap on your part, imho, to then admonish him for responding..

Mike


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#1101435 - 02/29/16 09:05 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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The Koch brothers are straw men for the Left. Hillary is in bed with the most vile and heinous regimes around the world through her money laundering foundation AND she gets money from the Koch brothers, just as Donald Trump has supported her financially (and nearly all other major candidates from BOTH parties) for decades so he owns them. I can't imagine a worse fate for our country than getting either of these two nasty pieces of work elected to run rampant. The only hope I have left is that someone will win who will not tip the Supreme Court further left. It is already 4.5 to 3.5 in favor of the left (and now FAR FAR left due to recent appointees) and without a reasonable pick for the Supreme Court who will stop MAKING LAWS and instead INTERPRET EXISTING LAWS, our country is going to lose it's hold on several Bill of Rights amendments. It's frightening. And I am not more confident that Trump would appoint someone even neutral, let alone conservative, to replace the most conservative justice. It's really a worst case scenario. Now presidential power will likely grow unchecked and unchallenged by the Supreme Court and that kind of power in the hands of Trump or CLinton is frightening for the entire world.


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#1101441 - 03/01/16 12:14 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Well,
Two things about the most likely Nominee's who will be on the Ticket. One, basically refuses to talk to anyone, the other pulls no punches and talks to everyone.


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#1101443 - 03/01/16 12:41 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
The Koch brothers are straw men for the Left. Hillary is in bed with the most vile and heinous regimes around the world through her money laundering foundation AND she gets money from the Koch brothers, just as Donald Trump has supported her financially (and nearly all other major candidates from BOTH parties) for decades so he owns them. I can't imagine a worse fate for our country than getting either of these two nasty pieces of work elected to run rampant. The only hope I have left is that someone will win who will not tip the Supreme Court further left. It is already 4.5 to 3.5 in favor of the left (and now FAR FAR left due to recent appointees) and without a reasonable pick for the Supreme Court who will stop MAKING LAWS and instead INTERPRET EXISTING LAWS, our country is going to lose it's hold on several Bill of Rights amendments. It's frightening. And I am not more confident that Trump would appoint someone even neutral, let alone conservative, to replace the most conservative justice. It's really a worst case scenario. Now presidential power will likely grow unchecked and unchallenged by the Supreme Court and that kind of power in the hands of Trump or CLinton is frightening for the entire world.


That's cutting through the fat Brian! My sentiments as well.

Best, John smile

#1101446 - 03/01/16 01:55 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Thanks for saving me the effort, Dave. Nicely put!

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Ray, you are a non-believer and will be convicted and judged by the word you speak, so I'll stop casting my pearls your way, a waste of time. I'm surprised you read a book that you don't believe in and try to use it to ridicule those that do believe. Read John chapter 3.

#1101455 - 03/01/16 10:54 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Everett Adams]  
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Ray says

Free Will. So far it isn't working for me. So Everett, here is a chance to work yours. Will me up about say 500 pounds of gold, at my place in easy to handle 25 pound packages.


And justifies it

Asking honest questions isn't ridicule of someone else's beliefs. When someone tells me something that seems wrong, I question it.


Nuff said


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#1101457 - 03/01/16 12:29 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: John Voorpostel]  
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Humm,
After many years of observing the uh world I surmised long ago that Ignorance abounds thru-out the land. It appears Everett has never read the first paragraph of Matthew and the basic message included there. The Wise Men, assuming it really happened, were looking for a "Savior" of the Isrealites, Jews such as it is. Now when they approached King Harrod and asked him where was this new born babe he knew nothing about it. never saw that Bright Star in the sky or any other such nonsense as alluded to today. How jesus got transferred from a King of the Jews to savior of the Universe escapes me but it is now pure fact even tho it is pure fiction.
Well to Coin a phrase, there are plenty of facts in a book called the Bible but few ever read it. Now the Bible was never meant to be used the way it is used today but since few ever read it I guess the fiction will continue.

Wow. Now any of you "Believers" who can will me up 500 pounds of gold please do so! I need the money. I have been digging out the "Facts" for over 60 years now and so far my "Free Will" isn't working!

In Astrology Neptune rules Illusion, Deception, Self Deception, the Astrological Sign Pisces, etc. Jesus was born at the beginning of the Age of Pisces, ruled by Neptune. The last 2000 years was also known as the Dark Ages.

So today Organized Religion takes no responsibility for it's message but puts it out there like a puff of smoke and you are supposed to grab onto it. But, who can grab onto the Illusions of Neptune! But the Cold Hard Facts are the Cold Hard Facts. In Astrology the Planet Saturn represents the cold Hard Facts, that are hard to ignore, no? When all else fails, read the Book!

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#1101470 - 03/01/16 02:57 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Ray,

Have you considered starting your own blog?

You could call it "Cold Hard Facts" and I bet quite a few people would read you, especially if you went on at length about topics near and dear to you like politics and religion.

I would suggest making your first blog entry about how you sincerely think it's time to be "politically incorrect" and find a way to round up all the "Liberals" into New Mexico and introduce them to the "business end of a Hellfire Missile" like you do in this thread, twice:

http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/1094885/page/3#Post1094885

I guarantee you, you would have quite a readership!

I mean, here you are probably not getting the kind of exposure and numbers that a blog of your own might garner. Just a thought!

Mike

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#1101473 - 03/01/16 03:15 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Everyone chill out a bit. This is going to be a very, very nasty election so let's see if we avoid undue nastiness here.

Over at FAWM, folks asked for suggestions of where to go after fawm for a songwriting community. Of course, Donna and I mention JPF like we always do. A few others came on to bash JPF a bit talking about how nasty and vile some of the comments were in the general section -- mostly opposing political viewpoints. ... and they are sort of right. If it was up to me (and it isn't) I would ban all political speech from here and let folks duke it out on facebook.


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#1101474 - 03/01/16 03:32 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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Humm,
So what am I doing after FAWM. Well after about 7 years of looking at my Guitar sitting here in the room I have started to get my fingers in shape and have actually picked up my guitar. Not that I am going to write any great songs! And I am going to buy a new (Budget) Acoustic Guitar, not that I need it!

And after the Donald get's elected, I am going to put on my John Wayne suit, my Woody Hayes Jacket (Former Ohio State Football Coach) and my Sargent Snorkel Boots and if the Donald doesn't walk the Chalk Line I am going to go pay him a visit! he will think he is looking in a mirror! Ya all take care now hear!


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#1103440 - 03/26/16 02:43 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Dave Rice]  
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Originally Posted by Dave Rice
Hi Everett:

The Koch brothers are the opposite of George Soros. The liberal press, Vanity Fair and Huffington spend most of their time vilifying the Koch brothers while worshiping at the shrine of the very anti-American creep, Soros. The fact that you saw an interview on CBC speaks volumes about the hatred of the left of the Koch's.

Our "Toadie" Congress keeps passing laws that make it possible for only the wealthy (or the minions of the wealthy) to run for and hold office in the USA. Our election process gets strung out over several months in an endless parade of caucuses and primaries designed to allow the public to be swayed by liberal reporters and their agenda.

We would be better off drawing numbers out of a hat instead of all these sham votes and wasted money. Think what could be done for the poor and needy with all that campaign money being thrown into the coffers of the news media and big networks.

The term, "Knowledge is Power" has been "trumped" by "Money is Power."

Despite all our system's flaws... it is still the best system in the free world... but fading fast.

The opinion expressed above is only one man's assessment of the situation... and that is me! ----Dave



SCOTUS declaring that money is speech,
ie., their ruling on Citizens United Vs FEC
was one of the worst rulings the court made
in modern times. On that ruling, they failed
America.

Regarding:
"Our election process gets strung out over several months in an endless parade of caucuses and primaries designed to allow the public to be swayed by liberal reporters and their agenda".

How liberal is the media that gives Trump, more than any other candidate, far more air time ? I checked all three cable so-called "news" networks, CNN, MSNBC, and Fox ( the one obviously conservative leaning "news" program, not "fair and balance" not by a long shot) , and Fox gave Trump far less air time than did MSNBC and CNN.

How liberal is the media where the vast majority of talk show AM radio hosts are conservatives?






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#1103459 - 03/26/16 05:35 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Pat Hardy]  
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Aw, Well,
Why does The Donald get all the press? You should realize Pat, that the News Media needs something to talk about! Otherwise they would go broke. Kinda like Professional Wrestling. If the good guy won all the matches people would stop watching. Because the bad guy wins most of the time the people keep coming back. The Donald is the best thing for the News Media since Richard Nixon.
Anytime something new about Nixon appears the News media will write cover it. Now ask yourself Pat, what other President commanded such attention? Now the Liberal Press may hate The Donald like they did Nixon but you can bet your last dollar they want him elected because he makes good press. Just like Nixon. And here I am trying to write songs. My songs will never take the place of Nixon, or The Donald!

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#1103540 - 03/28/16 02:08 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Whoever the next President is, a big group of people will hate the whole idea. But this November, should any of us be in that group, I hope we make the best of it, and continue to make good music either way.

#1103573 - 03/28/16 07:15 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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I haven't read any of the other posts here yet, but I will give you my thoughts on this election so I am unbiased by the above and so no one thinks I am targeting their guy.

The two leading candidates are both unfit for office. Hillary is a criminal and would already be in jail if she were any other citizen, and in my opinion that would include any other candidate running as well. Obama is protecting her. If she wins, she gets away with it. If she loses, Obama will simply pardon her. So either way, she'll get away with crimes (beyond the email scandals and her corrupt charity that takes millions from some of the most evil people in the world and the most repressive regimes while she sold favors back to them...). On the other side, you have a pathological liar and megalomaniac who wishes to be the dictator of America. He's dangerous in a different way than Hillary, but in either case both will risk a complete collapse in our country and could draw us into either a world war or a civil war.

The only 2 honest candidates (at least as honest as politicians can be these days) are the two second place candidates who could not be more opposite, but who at least tell you honestly what they think. In my opinion, that head to head contest would open us all up for a true debate about what sort of country we want. Obama recently said that Communism and Capitalism are simply ideas that people should pick and choose from each for their government Never mind they are 100% incompatible, and communism by nature would violate our constitution in every way imaginable, but for sake of argument, let's go with his commentary.

Bernie the wanna be Communist against Cruz, the strict originalist on the US Constitution. Those are two opposite viewpoints worth debating. Do people want an all powerful state wielding all decisions and controlling all aspects of our lives, or do they want an all powerful citizen who runs their own lives with the most minimal government intrusion beyond national security and protecting others from you taking away their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

I welcome that debate. It is the one we should be having. But with Trump (who in my view is to the left of Hillary in truth on about 80% of the issues) and Clinton, all we're looking at is incompetence and misery and lots of danger in the present and an unimaginable hell for our kids and grandkids in the next two decades likely leading to mass deaths by internal or external (or both) means.

So anyone on the left or the right, you better get out and vote for either second place candidate which aligns with your views and maybe we can have a real debate and let the people choose which way to go. Those two men couldn't be any more clearly defined.

That's just my opinion, I could be right.


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#1103585 - 03/28/16 10:40 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Aw, Well, Brian,
The country is already in a shambles the result of Big Government over the last 100 years plus. So it can't get any worse, well yes it can if Hillary or Sanders gets elected. BUT, people voted for this time after time, the Liberals promising things that have gone the way of the Dodo Bird.

Lyndon Johnson, Remember him? When he became President he made a speech that he was going to wage war on Poverty, Never Mind Vietnam.

Then he took a look at all that money in Social Security and said, We are going to spend that money. Well Johnson is gone, the money is all gone, but poverty is still here. And a lot of other things such as business moving offshore. The peasants have spoken, but so has big business.

Aesop wrote about it many moons ago, about the Goose that laid the Golden Egg. Many didn't listen, so we have the situation we have today.

Oh, and I think people are finally speaking up about it. That's why Trump is getting such traction. A lot of people are taking Pot Shots at him. No, he doesn't want to be a Dictator. He shoots from the hip. No secret deals. The Liberals take their manifesto right out of Vaudville. Maybe you've heard it. WITH YOUR MONEY AND MY BRAINS, WE WILL GO PLACES. Obama wanted to spread the wealth. And he has, to China, India, Mexico, Vietnam, El Salvador, Hondurus, Hati, Indonesia, Canada, to name a few. And in your own Neck of the Woods, Carrier, to Mexico. With Hillary you get the same, except she wants to give the illegals all the benefits some citizens can't even get. Like it so far? Stay tuned.


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#1103605 - 03/29/16 02:00 PM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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I'm just glad none of us are in charge. We're nuts!

The historical story of the 2016 election may well be that this was when we finally shook up the "leaders" in Washington, on the center right and center left, in the moderate middle. No matter what the media tries to chant, voters on the left and right are defying them, defying polls, defying political logic, breaking political taboos.

At least America is getting active, remembering that they elect representatives, not "leaders". Time for the real leaders, the American citizens, to really lead, and participate in the ongoing responsibility of governing ourselves.

#1103772 - 04/01/16 10:51 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Mark Kaufman]  
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Well Mark, the turn out for the Dem's is way down... the turn out for the Repub's is way up. But unlike Trump, I credit it as much to anti-Trump enthusiasm as Pro Trump enthusiasm. After this past week, it is clear Trump has alienated women to a degree no previous candidate ever has. That's a win for the Dems if he gets the nomination. He stands for nothing and his attempt to answer an abortion question showed that clearly. He's Pro Choice trying to pretend to be Pro Life but he used the gross cartoon propaganda version of the Pro Life view that the left spews to answer thinking it would appeal to that crowd when it received EQUAL condemnation from both Pro Choice and Pro Life viewpoints. He's a liar trying to lie his way into office, much like Hillary, but it is clear that Hillary supporters know she's a pathological liar and don't care. Trumnp's supporters are too clueless to realize what a con artist he is. So you have people who don't care about truth versus people who have no idea what a lie is when it's said right to their face. (Or perhaps they don't care about lies either.. making it even worse). Both candidates can say something in the morning and deny it in the afternoon even though it's on video in their own words and by the evening their zombie followers will insist anyone who points out the lie are liars themselves. It's happened over and over again. Part Stupid, Part Evil... all pathetic.

Anyone who could cast a vote for either candidate with ANY other option on the ballot obviously endorses lies and corruption as that is what Hillary and Donald represent.


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#1103773 - 04/01/16 11:10 AM Re: Who are the Koch brothers [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Well,
We must not lose sight of the real problems in the country. I believe the Abortion Question was settled some time ago and the only reason Matthews brought it up is because his audience is so small nobody watches him. Nothing like stirring up a Hornets Nest to get some action. We still have a 19 Trillion Dollar Federal debt, still growing, many, many people out of work or working part time, all the Entitlements running out of money, Businesses moving off shore, The Libs wanting to put more people on welfare, this time the illegals, along with taking in huge amounts of so called refugrees, also will be going on welfare, your tax money, or raising the national debt to fund it, Bernie wants to totally destroy Wall Street, Hillary also wants to destroy wall street, maybe just a bit slower. Take a good look before you vote! It is your future you are voting for. Are we headed down the same road as Rome took?


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