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#1101860 - 03/06/16 07:53 PM Is your music being stolen?  
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Some composers that frequent “Music Library Report” are reporting some of their tracks are being stolen. Seems there are unscrupulous people out there, stealing music, and submitting it to music libraries under their own names. I think 25 years to life would be acceptable punishment for such depraved activity. The Internet opens up opportunities, but at the same time it opens up corruption.

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I've given up and all my songs are up on my youtube page for free

#1101871 - 03/06/16 08:54 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Hi John,

There's some justified paranoia with instrumental music, as all a thief has to do is change the title, whereas with songs w/vocals one can google possible "alt titles" and check up on one's stuff.

There should be security algorithms that flag library contributors that say, have no other outside sites (Soundcloud, Broadjam, etc) with which they submit the same pieces that they enter into libraries. That would seem to be a red flag to me! Or if they do have outside music sites but the titles are always different.

But I wouldn't be too troubled. They couldn't actually steal the high quality audio (unless paying a hefty price through, say, Audiosparx), or otherwise, they'd have to do a 'mock-up' of the piece they stole, then call that their own--and that's a lot of work! Thieves are usually lazy.

Submitting HQ instrumental stuff to say, Itunes--that's a different more problematic story. A thief just has to pay a buck for the HQ file.

The best protection is simply not to have anything at any quality greater than 128kbs MP3's out there--virtually unstealable. No way to upscale a low quality MP3.

And no Itunes or Spotify for the HQ files.

Mike

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#1101880 - 03/06/16 10:11 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Michael Zaneski]  
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Good points Mike! I imagine if there are corrupt people working within music libraries, music could be stolen fairly easy. I'd hate to think it could be inside jobs. I wonder if Mozart or Beethoven had any of these problems? grin

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#1102358 - 03/12/16 06:58 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Barry David Butler]  
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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
I've given up and all my songs are up on my youtube page for free


Same here. Music is free now. But if I like an artist or group enough, I'll buy their stuff anyway. For example, I bought all 6 of Little Big Town's CDs.

#1102359 - 03/12/16 07:01 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Jim Colyer]  
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I think Karen Fairchild is SO sexy in this video.

FINE LINE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mO2K-qkMU4

#1102421 - 03/13/16 04:13 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Jim Colyer]  
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John Schick asked:

"I wonder if Mozart or Beethoven had any of these problems?"

Actually, they knew each other and did "borrow" from each other. Mozart was older, but they were in contact. In most of those eras of music, composers "heavily borrowed" from each other. It was actually expected and accepted. Musical scholars today will make all kinds of comparisons and accusations, but at the time, it was considered the sincerest form of flattery.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven_and_Mozart

MAB

#1102423 - 03/13/16 04:28 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Originally Posted by Marc Barnette
John Schick asked:

"I wonder if Mozart or Beethoven had any of these problems?"

Actually, they knew each other and did "borrow" from each other. Mozart was older, but they were in contact. In most of those eras of music, composers "heavily borrowed" from each other. It was actually expected and accepted. Musical scholars today will make all kinds of comparisons and accusations, but at the time, it was considered the sincerest form of flattery.:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beethoven_and_Mozart

MAB


Yeah, I knew the answer Marc. grin Actually Beethoven was influenced heavily by Mozart. Kind of a mature and extended Mozart. And Brahms was an extension of Beethoven. Even Brahms’s first symphony took on the name “Beethoven’s 10th. And I was influenced by them all. Man learns from man. And hopefully takes his predecessor’s influence to a new level.

But then, that’s not the same as stealing someone’s work and placing one’s name on it.

Best, John smile

#1102427 - 03/13/16 05:31 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Damn Marc,
I didn't know you knew Mozart! Maybe yes Beethoven was not too bowled over by Mozart but I think some competition did exist. However I listen to a lot of each and hear no obvious copying from either. As some of you know Beethoven went deaf and I believe was totally deaf when he composed his 9Th, the most popular piece of music ever composed. Remember in those days radio didn't exist and Mozart only lived for about 35 years from January 1756 til December 1791.

Is your music being stolen? Is it worth stealing?


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#1102437 - 03/13/16 07:02 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Someone that isn't familiar with Mozart & Beethoven. If they listened to Mozart, then early Beethoven, they may think it's the same composer.

John smile

#1102439 - 03/13/16 07:24 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Yes Ray. When I first started working with Mozart, he was just working on "Chopsticks." I mean PLAYING with Chopsticks. He actually used to play using chopsticks instead of his fingers. Very good kid. Of course, that is just when we was about 6 months old. But always proud of him.

John, you are correct, someone putting their name on someone else's work. My point is that most everything is borrowed from something else and I don't know if there is anything truly original.Someone had mentioned those two guys and there was much of that going on even back in those days.

MAB

#1102475 - 03/14/16 01:13 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Well Marc,
I think it is great that you expand your knowledge of music, among other things.

Here's a short Quiz for you.
Which one of these works did Mozart write?
"TITAN'
"JUPITER"
"SURPRISE SYMPHONY"

John,
A person was in the process of Cataloging all of Mozart's Works.
His Name was:
Aesop
Kochel
Gundig.

So who wrote the "Farewell" Symphony and why was it written?

Who wrote the Egmont?
Who wrote The Marriage of Figaro?
In what Major Work will you find the Blumine Movement? Mostly omitted today?
Who wrote the UNFINISHED SYMPHONY?
In what work will you find THE RIDE OF THE VALKRIES.
In what work will you find ODE TO JOY.

What famous work was used as the Theme in a T.V. Show. Hint: He wore a Mask. P.S It wasn't the Green Hornet.
No fair peeking now. If you get stumped there is always Google! Have fun!

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#1102600 - 03/15/16 06:34 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Hello Ray,

I'll try.

#1. ELANTRO
#2. FOSCHDEL DE FORGA
#3. GLOCK N SCHPIEL.

Sorry, These are all ancient Greek translations to your questions. Only way I answer quizzes. But thanks for playing, and here's a copy of our home game.

MAB

#1102602 - 03/15/16 07:15 PM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Marc Barnette]  
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Ha!,
I understood everything you said except the Greek Portion. It's all Greek to me! Uh, all the questions are legitimate that have real answers. Ok. Here's an easy one for you. Who wrote LOST HIGHWAY. Hint, it wasn't the Artist. Have fun. Didja know my ancestors had the title De La in their name. French before migrating to England in 1066 with William the Conquerer. Well that was a long time ago.


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Symphony No. 45 in F-sharp minor (Farewell Symphony) was composed by Haydn. BTW, Haydn composed over a hundred symphonies. Though if you’ve heard one, you’ve heard them all. Maybe not quite fair. Okay, if you’ve heard two, you’ve heard them all.

Egmont – Beethoven

The Marriage of Figaro – Mozart

Blumine Movement – Mahler (the only one I had to Google)

Unfinished Symphony – Beethoven (and others).

Ride of the Valkyries - Richard Wagner. BTW it was used in the film Apocalypse Now. The producers got in trouble using Solti’s recording without permission. I reckon they were in a hurry. They took it off Solti’s LP. What would that attack helicopter scene be without that music – definitely wouldn’t have been as effective.

Ode to Joy – part of Beethoven’s 9th.

TV Theme – Not sure, but I’d guess Henry Mancini – Peter Gunn comes to mind.

Don't do this to us again Ray! laugh

John smile

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Aw, Well,
Sorry Theme used in a T.V. show. The Lone Ranger. William Tell Overture. Unfinished Symphony Schubert's 8Th.

Kochel cataloged Mozart's Works.

Now, who wrote the Farewell Symphony and why was it written.


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#1102619 - 03/16/16 02:47 AM Re: Is your music being stolen? [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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I'm sorry, all of those answers have been disqualified. But it was a nice attempt. Again, versions of our home game are available in the lobby on your way home. Thanks for playing.

MAB

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I would have had the Lone Ranger right, the rest, no. Oh and maybe Ode to Joy.


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