Who's Online Now
26 registered members (Colin Ward, Barry David Butler, couchgrouch, cloudsongs, 9ne, beechnut79, Harriet Ames, Everett Adams, Calvin, 7 invisible), and 267 guests, and
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Shout Box
Member Spotlight
vlado
vlado
Buje, Croatia
Posts: 61
Joined: September 2011
Show All Member Profiles 
What's Going On
Anyone Trade Domain Names ?
by Colin Ward. 05/24/17 03:50 PM
Forty Four Years Ago
by Iggy. 05/24/17 03:08 PM
How many writers does it take to make a "HIT"?
by Barry David Butler. 05/24/17 03:00 PM
2017 Nominees Check In Here!
by cloudsongs. 05/24/17 12:45 PM
Yet, Not Yet
by Neil Cotton. 05/24/17 10:14 AM
The Music Industry SKY Is Falling!!
by Ray E. Strode. 05/24/17 08:49 AM
CD baby down sizing again
by Barry David Butler. 05/24/17 08:47 AM
I pity today's DJs
by Barry David Butler. 05/24/17 08:14 AM
Life's All About The Fix
by nightengale. 05/23/17 09:36 PM
Doorway To Goodbye
by nightengale. 05/23/17 06:10 PM
I Don't Drink Cocktails Anymore
by beechnut79. 05/23/17 10:22 AM
Rock it or lose it.
by Travis david. 05/23/17 09:49 AM
Pickin’ And Singin’
by Neil Cotton. 05/23/17 08:37 AM
Welcome To Facebook
by Barry David Butler. 05/23/17 07:46 AM
Shadow Boy
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:55 AM
Honeysuckle Spring
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:50 AM
Edgar
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:45 AM
It's Yesterday Somewhere
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:38 AM
Left Too Soon
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:19 AM
Down On The Burnside
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:13 AM
After All We've Been Through (Daubert)
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:06 AM
Reflection
by Deej56. 05/23/17 12:01 AM
Go Preds Go
by John Voorpostel. 05/22/17 11:02 PM
Creativity and the Use of BIAB and Loops
by Iggy. 05/22/17 01:39 PM
Children of the Sixties (FAWM #14) Yippee!
by beechnut79. 05/22/17 12:38 PM
What's Right From Wrong. Mackie & Vic
by Mackie H.. 05/22/17 11:14 AM
Fit One More In
by Neil Cotton. 05/22/17 09:08 AM
He Found God At A Holiday Inn
by Barry David Butler. 05/22/17 07:01 AM
RIP Chris Cornell
by MidniteBob. 05/21/17 11:34 PM
Huge Georgia Boots
by nightengale. 05/21/17 11:30 PM
Top Posters(All Time)
Calvin 19,068
Kevin Emmrich 10,527
Jean Bullock 10,330
Kaley Willow 10,240
Travis david 10,079
Two Singers 9,571
Joice Marie 9,186
Mackie H. 8,684
Mike Dunbar 8,574
glynda 8,557
Tricia Baker 8,318
Colin Ward 7,756
Corey 7,357
couchgrouch 7,169
Wyman Lloyd 6,578
Mark Kaufman 6,426
Joe Wrabek 6,390
ben willis 6,051
Dave Rice 5,926
Lynn Orloff 5,788
Louis 5,718
Linda Sings 5,601
niteshift 5,316
KimberlyinNC 5,195
Vicarn 5,109
Derek Hines 4,893
DonnaMarilyn 4,596
Blake Hill 4,528
Bob Cushing 4,342
Bill Osofsky 4,199
Cindy Miller 4,178
Tom Shea 4,173
Neil Cotton 3,960
nightengale 3,947
TamsNumber4 3,916
Roy Cooper 3,880
Caroline 3,865
Kolstad 3,744
Dan Sullivan 3,710
MFB III 3,687
Dottie 3,427
joewatt 3,411
Bill Cooper 3,279
John Hoffman 3,199
beechnut79 3,170
Skip Johnson 3,027
Pam Hurley 3,007
Terry G 3,005
Harriet Ames 2,865
PopTodd 2,855
E Swartz 2,828
Nigel Quin 2,795
MidniteBob 2,588
Tom Tracy 2,558
Polly Hager 2,526
Jerry Jakala 2,524
Al Alvarez 2,499
Eric Thome 2,448
Hummingbird 2,401
Nelson 2,359
Stan Loh 2,263
Sam Wilson 2,241
Judy Hollier 2,232
Erica Ellis 2,202
Wendy D 2,151
TrumanCoyote 2,096
Marty Helly 2,012
DukeWill 1,984
Ray Thyer 1,929
Clint Anglin 1,904
cindyrella 1,888
David Wright 1,866
Clairejeanne 1,851
Cindy LaRosa 1,824
maccharles 1,748
floyd jane 1,713
Ronald Boyt 1,675
Noel Downs 1,620
Iggy 1,587
Cal 1,574
Jack Swain 1,554
Rick Heenan 1,552
Pete Larsen 1,537
Ann Tygart 1,529
Tom Breshers 1,487
Tom Franz 1,450
RogerS 1,445
Ralph Blight 1,440
Chuck Crowe 1,435
Kenneth Cade 1,429
Rick Norton 1,427
bholt 1,411
Letha Allen 1,406
Stan Simons 1,402
in2piano 1,397
mattbanx 1,384
Jen Shaner 1,367
Charlie Wong 1,347
KevinP 1,324
Vondelle 1,316
Tom W. 1,311
Jan Petter 1,300
scottandrew 1,292
DakLander 1,265
GocartMoz 1,253
Janice & Bud 1,242
Ian Ferrin 1,230
IdeaGuy 1,209
Glen King 1,209
AaronAuthier 1,177
Diane Ewing 1,158
PeteG 1,146
summeoyo 1,083
Gerry 1,077
BobbyJoe 1,075
joro 1,045
S.DEE 1,040
yann 1,037
Tony A 1,016
argo 986
peaden 984
Wolvman 960
Jak Kelly 912
krtinberg 890
IronKnee 884
Petra 883
Drifter 856
RJC 845
Brenda152 840
Nadia 827
Juan 797
TKO 784
frahmes 781
teletwang 762
lane1777 746
90 dB 745
tbryson 736
Andy Kemp 732
Andy K 729
Jackie444 718
3daveyO3 704
Dayson 703
Dixie 701
Joy Boy 695
ant 694
Knute 686
Lee Arten 678
Katziis 652
R.T.MOORE 638
quality 637
CG King 622
douglas 621
Mel 614
NaomiSue 601
Shandy 589
Ria 587
TAMERA64 583
qbaum 570
nitepiano 565
pRISCILLA 556
Tink2 553
musica 539
9ne 531
deanbell 528
RobertK 527
Roderic 522
Irwin 519
pathardy 511
BB Wilbur 511
goodfolks 499
Moosesong 491
Zeek 487
Stu 486
Steve P. 481
KathyW 462
allenb 459
MaxG 458
Philjo 454
fanito 448
trush48 448
R&M 442
dmk 442
arealrush 437
DGR 436
avweek 435
Stephen D 433
Emmy 431
Rob L 426
marquez 422
kit 419
Softkrome 417
kyrksongs 415
RRon 408
Laura G. 407
VNORTH 407
Debra 407
eb 406
cuebald 399
EdPerrone 398
Dannyk1 395
Hobart 395
Davyboy49 393
Smile 389
GJShades 387
Ezt 384
tone 380
Marla 380
iggyiggy 378
coalminer 377
Cecilee 376
java 374
spidey 371
sweetsong 370
danny 367
Jim Ryan 360
papaG 353
Alek 351
Z - man 350
John K 348
JamesDF5 347
Jaden 344
ddreuter 341
TheBaz 340
Steggy 339
leif 339
tonedeaf 336
rickwork 334
Eddie Ray 332
Johnboy 328
Bob Lever 328
Helicon1 327
lucian 326
Muskie 321
kc 319
Z. Mulls 318
ptondreau 313
ONOFFON 312
Chris B. 310
trush 304
ed323 297
Ellen M 293
lizzorn 291
nicnac49 290
pomeranj 289
Char 286
ktunes 285
mastrose 280
pammie 279
Register Today!
Welcome to the Just Plain Folks forums! You are currently viewing our forums as a Guest which gives you limited access to most of our discussions and to other features.

By joining our free community you will have access to post and respond to topics, communicate privately with our users (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other features. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free; so please join our community today!
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate This Thread
Page 2 of 2 1 2
#1079851 - 04/14/15 05:51 PM Re: xhail [Re: maccharles]  
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 74
Patrick M Offline
Serious Contributor
Patrick M  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 74
Well I suppose the only consolation will be that MAC's music came from Mac, although some computer might be able to fiogure out where your ideas were inspired by.

So your brand might be safe, until you got famous enough for somebody to box it.

i think right now the object is to copy the top famous person of each style. People will bore of somebody writing mccartney melodies all the time.

but if it were able to meld the best of pop music from the last 50 years, it may well turn out a number of hits before even those sounds get old

I guess there will always be a need a for a new McCartney, that might be our saving grace, as the computer will only be copying what it receives.

but I'm convinced the software as is could write better songs than alot of humans right now, today.

I iamgine a program that plays eddie van halen solos will be made, but once millions of people own the software, eddie van halen solos will sound generic!

I think thats how pop music survives with a new face entering the picture, wrestling too!

#1079854 - 04/14/15 06:18 PM Re: xhail [Re: Patrick M]  
Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 74
Patrick M Offline
Serious Contributor
Patrick M  Offline
Serious Contributor

Joined: Mar 2015
Posts: 74
Other mind bending thoughts...

So much of pop music is copied from and even stolen (Blurred lines) that, this might fit very well in pop music.

So much of all music is all copied from something else.

And imagine the law suits, maybe that might put an end to it, cause if the program happens to spin out something similar to "Beat It" theres gonna be infringement suits.

Even so, as a reference it will be crazy. Ask it to play a cross between Madonna and Pink Floyd, out comes a tune. You then change it a bit, and you have a unique song, and nobody would be the wiser.

Hmmm...

#1079880 - 04/14/15 08:29 PM Re: xhail [Re: Patrick M]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
John Lawrence Schick Offline
Top 25 Poster
John Lawrence Schick  Offline
Top 25 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
PA
A new genre – “counterfeit music”.

When I compose… every measure, every micro-measure, every note and their infinite durations, every modulation, the counterpoint, the melody, the dynamics, the arrangement, and the essence of the music is guided by my inner most feelings and emotions. The music comes from the root of my very being, of who I am, how I feel, how I look at life, and then touched by my God-given soul. For whatever it is (good or bad), it can never be created by a heartless, unfeeling computer. And maybe it can trick some listeners into thinking it is more than counterfeit music. I feel sorry for that listener.

Even the contrapuntal, mathematically perfect music of J.S.Bach has a heart.

Music with a heart:
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...24FD286B1254DF34F89024FD286B1254DF34F890

John

#1081076 - 04/24/15 09:18 PM Re: xhail [Re: Charlie2015]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,089
Brian Austin Whitney Offline
Brian Austin Whitney  Offline


Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,089
Indianapolis, IN USA
[/quote]

Mac was the one who called it rediculous, I concured. But give him credit for NOT calling it rediculous if u like.

Its rediculous to people who work on music, and have devoted their lives to their craft.

it takes business away from a musician who was able to come up with musical bits, and puts it in the hands of people who played guitar hero, instead of learning to play guitar

Its great for the consumer, and the person who doesnt want to bother with learning how to compose or play an instrument, ill grant you that, it's just like downloading music is great for the listener, spotify, is great for the listener, for the musician, it's not so fun.

As was pointed out, its not something new where not being a musician has suddenly become the new norm to make music, but this is a step in a weird direction.

It cuts out all the songwriters and jingle writers, and guys like John "Schick"? Whos talents were in demand, they wont be for long if this continues.

[/quote]

Actually, please show me where I mentioned Mac saying it was not ridiculous... I didn't. I thanked him for bringing the article up and responded to him in the first sentence. Bugsey, it isn't all about you, in fact, it rarely is.


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@aol.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney


#1081077 - 04/24/15 09:33 PM Re: xhail [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,089
Brian Austin Whitney Offline
Brian Austin Whitney  Offline


Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,089
Indianapolis, IN USA
People could say using a non-piano to play acoustic piano parts is cheating. Worse, using a "string" sound from a keyboard is cheating since you're not playing a violin, nor are you an actual orchestra. This is simply one more tool. And guess what? This is nothing compared to what is coming. They will easily in our lifetimes (i.e. 20 years maybe less) have technology that will allow you to "think" your music into an interface and have it come back as finished tracks. I have seen early demos of pieces of technology that will be combined with others to make this reality. Won't that be awesome? Original classical composers for the most part composed much the same way.. in their heads, then wrote it out longhand via sheet music for each instrument. Then we had affordable symphonies and bands who could just play it out as it was being imagined. Then you had the synth revolution which allowed 1 person to play ALL the parts, one or more at a time in layers to fill out a complete performance of what was in their head. So why not just go right from your head to finished music, EXACTLY as you hear it in your head? I think it is very exciting. Down the road, perhaps beyond our lifetimes, they will be able to do this with thoughts and films, imagine memories duplicated as people recall them captured this way. Imagine its use in justice cases where we could SEE what someone saw to prove innocence or guilt.

Sure, there's a sci-fi element to all this, but trust me, imagine what Mozart could have done with these tools and imagine all the future Mozarts doing it, it will be a great thing for human expression!


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@aol.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney


#1081116 - 04/25/15 02:26 PM Re: xhail [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
John Lawrence Schick Offline
Top 25 Poster
John Lawrence Schick  Offline
Top 25 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
PA
Where’s the passion in this new technology? How much passion can come through a lifeless computer App? I’m all for computer software used in the production stage, but not having a senseless computer replaced man’s creative role.

My passion comes when I sit at the piano with pen and manuscript. There’s no passion in the production stage for me, only skill.

No matter what happens in the Music Industry, my passion for creating music will never cease – because the passion isn’t in the technology – it’s within the human mind.

John smile

#1081119 - 04/25/15 02:50 PM Re: xhail [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,723
Ray E. Strode Online content
Top 40 Poster
Ray E. Strode  Online Content
Top 40 Poster

Joined: May 2001
Posts: 6,723
Brunswick, Ga. USA
Um, Well,
I seem to remember the Chinese having committee's composing Classical music! Don't know how it all worked out. Beam me up Scotty!


Ray E. Strode
#1081145 - 04/25/15 05:33 PM Re: xhail [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
John Lawrence Schick Offline
Top 25 Poster
John Lawrence Schick  Offline
Top 25 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
PA
Originally Posted by Ray E. Strode
Um, Well,
I seem to remember the Chinese having committee's composing Classical music! Don't know how it all worked out. Beam me up Scotty!


Hopefully it's a human committee and not a computer committee Ray.

John smile

#1081194 - 04/26/15 10:47 AM Re: xhail [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
John Lawrence Schick Offline
Top 25 Poster
John Lawrence Schick  Offline
Top 25 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
PA
I like this quote by Cyril Connolly:

"Better to write for yourself and have no public, than to write for the public and have no self"

John smile

#1081217 - 04/26/15 02:39 PM Re: xhail [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,089
Brian Austin Whitney Offline
Brian Austin Whitney  Offline


Top 10 Poster

Joined: Apr 2001
Posts: 18,089
Indianapolis, IN USA
John,

If you are using any technology to make your music, it is no different than using advanced technology to do the same. As you stated, the "passion" is in your mind, and the music you make there is where the talent and imagination is. Thinking it and then tools producing what you envisioned is the same as today.

Sure, having something randomly put a song together is a toy. But most instruments as toys until a talent uses them to make something amazing. I doubt something amazing will come from a random generator, but guess what? It was amazing creativity that built that technology in the first place. That is where the genius occurred. That is more about passionate programmers than musicians. No different than Pixar programmers who create the tools to do the acting. It's amazing talent even though visual acting is much different. Sometimes via mimicry, often using facial recognition to turn a human into a turtle. They are new tools and in the right hands, will turn out amazing passionate projects. Meanwhile, no one stops you from doing it your way. In a free society, that is always possible just as some people still create covered wagons in their workshops as there is still a need and desire and appreciation for that skill and passion to do it.

Brian


Brian Austin Whitney
Founder
Just Plain Folks
jpfolkspro@aol.com
Skype: Brian Austin Whitney

"Don't sit around and wait for success to come to you... it doesn't know the way." -Brian Austin Whitney


#1081221 - 04/26/15 03:18 PM Re: xhail [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,294
John Voorpostel Offline
Top 20 Poster
John Voorpostel  Offline
Top 20 Poster

Joined: Dec 2000
Posts: 10,294
Can't wait to see it tour and play live wink


If writing ever becomes work I think I'm going to have to stop

iAccountant --- Info L inc --- Taxboard
#1081238 - 04/26/15 04:32 PM Re: xhail [Re: John Voorpostel]  
Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
John Lawrence Schick Offline
Top 25 Poster
John Lawrence Schick  Offline
Top 25 Poster

Joined: Dec 2008
Posts: 8,336
PA
"They are new tools and in the right hands, will turn out amazing passionate projects" Brian

Maybe I misunderstand this new technology. Doesn't this App create the music itself, i.e. chords, melody, rhythm, etc.? So where is the passion in composing? It’s not a tool for the composer – it replaces the composer with pre-programmed music bits & pieces. Kind of like putting a puzzle together with preselected shapes (within the programmer’s box).

Don’t misunderstand me, I’m all for technology that aids the composer in the production stage. Programs like the EWQL Symphonic Orchestra are wonderful. I mean, how many composers have access to their own live symphonic orchestra? And yes, freedom to choose means also freedom to disapprove. Which I whole-heartedly do.

I can’t help but wonder how many young minds will use this technology and never experience the passion of really composing.

Hope I'm not coming across like those holier-than-thou elitists that I hated in my early years. Some of those longhairs were so snobbish they even put-down Scott Joplin’s piano rags – imagine.

John smile

Page 2 of 2 1 2

Support Just Plain Folks

We would like to keep the membership in Just Plain Folks FREE! Your donation helps support the many programs we offer including Road Trips and the Music Awards.


Membership
Join Just Plain Folks
to receive the free
JPNotes Newsletter!
*this is separate from
message board registration*

Newest Members
cloudsongs, Jaketaylorsongs1961, lindero, kirpi, Kaelin Jay
20904 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums116
Topics116,586
Posts1,098,501
Members20,904
Average Posts Daily35
Most Online1,506
Mar 16th, 2017
Just Plain Quotes
"Never accept no as an answer from someone not empowered to say yes in the first place." –Brian Austin Whitney
Today's Birthdays
No Birthdays
Popular Topics(Views)
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.6.0