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#1075213 - 02/27/15 04:23 AM xhail  
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This really is getting to be ridiculous.
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#1075214 - 02/27/15 05:43 AM Re: xhail [Re: maccharles]  
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I think I'll be waiting a long time to xhail. All they need is a random lyric generator.

#1075216 - 02/27/15 09:04 AM Re: xhail [Re: Doug Barnett]  
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It's just another instrument.
Unless the user is a musician, how good will it sound?
After a few tunes by a few hundred users it'll just be elevator music.

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#1075240 - 02/27/15 04:28 PM Re: xhail [Re: Vicarn]  
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Vic, that's the thing.....no musicality required, it may be slightly rough now....but give it ten years or so....damn.....music generated by keyword suggestion.

#1075319 - 02/28/15 02:26 PM Re: xhail [Re: maccharles]  
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The interesting part of this is that the "stems" are all library sound tracks. Supposedly the creator of the new tune pays a fee and some of that fee goes back to the music creators. So maybe a tune has 10 tracks from 10 different composers (John on piano in there somewhere!), so each of those 10 would get a royalty check.


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#1078974 - 04/08/15 10:03 PM Re: xhail [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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I thiink this is actually different than your standard band in a box.

Vic made a point about being a musician, and how good can it be.

I think this is the scary part, you wont have to be a musician, or require any songwriting or imaginative abilitiy

It would mean the guys in the white shirts and ties, can conduct business, and compose their own jingles and sountracks without any skill whatsoever.

I need a song that sounds like a bird walking on a treadmill.

That would have requires amazing skill from Mozart or Beethoven, being able to bring that to life in music, but all you would need to do is type it in and see what comes up.

And none of it will be generic, it will all be original.

I agree with Mac, this is very rediculous and scary.

#1079313 - 04/11/15 10:16 AM Re: xhail [Re: Charlie2015]  
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It isn't ridiculous at all. It's natural progress and will be a great tool for filmmakers who don't have a music budget to be able to cut that cost. That is a fact and if this was a film board, we'd be cheering the new tool just as we'd cheer new camera technology that made our projects much cheaper to make.

Wagon makers are in small demand because technology moved on. Musicians who create music must also adapt to remain relevant. Thanks for sharing this Mac, I think I will use it to illustrate a point I want to make in the newsletter (and will credit you for bring it to my attention).

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#1079317 - 04/11/15 10:30 AM Re: xhail [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Doug, actually I have already seen a demo of just that.. a random lyric generator. There have been tool to greatly help writing processes for decades now (think MasterWriter) as well as old fashioned dictionaries and thesauruses. The lyric writing demo I saw did a better job than probably 50% of the lyrics we get via CD's. You can customize it just like Xhail so the stories can be amazingly personal with little effort and I bet we could post 5 generated lyrics alongside 5 handwritten ones and it would be very tough to pick out which were which.

Look, computers and technology are going to replace so many processes we've lived with all our lives. Just as they currently do a lot of heavy lifting in mathematics, like Gene Sequencing, those advances replaced humans doing that work previously. It allows people who can master those tools to delve deeper into medical innovations and treatments and warning signs and older ways of doing things will be obsolete.

Great programmers can already do complete symphonic performances that replace real players so convincingly that only musical experts can tell the difference and the general consumer cannot and enjoys a cheaper end product/experience because of it. Now a composer doesn't have to hire a symphony to play his composition. Just like modern keyboard players can play bass, strings, piano, guitar or about anything else they want on their current recordings and at live gigs. Few lament those tech advances. All of this is no different.

Catch up to the world and master new advances and use your skills to create something amazing, or accept your obsolescence because the technology train is not slowing down, it is exploding forward.

In 20 years, we'll be composing directly from our brainwaves to finished music, meaning you imagine the song and it will be created and heard, if anyone likes what you imagine. It is simply a short cut to human creativity which machines can mimic but can rarely (at least in our lifetimes) surpass.

And you can have lots of fun creating stuff... what is wrong with that? It may be rough now, but in short order tools like Xhail will be as common as a keyboard is now and all people will have the ability to get what is in their imagination out into the real audible world in very short steps. And there will always be people who are better than anyone else at using those tools to do really cool things! Pixar has killed old school animators, but their movies are amazing!


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#1079331 - 04/11/15 12:23 PM Re: xhail [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Not really a big leap from much of today's pop music which is usually the product of two people....one a programmer making the "beat" or background, and the other singing the lyrics/melody over it.


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#1079334 - 04/11/15 01:20 PM Re: xhail [Re: Brian Austin Whitney]  
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Originally Posted by Brian Austin Whitney
It isn't ridiculous at all. It's natural progress and will be a great tool for filmmakers who don't have a music budget to be able to cut that cost. That is a fact and if this was a film board, we'd be cheering the new tool just as we'd cheer new camera technology that made our projects much cheaper to make.

Wagon makers are in small demand because technology moved on. Musicians who create music must also adapt to remain relevant. Thanks for sharing this Mac, I think I will use it to illustrate a point I want to make in the newsletter (and will credit you for bring it to my attention).

Brian


Mac was the one who called it rediculous, I concured. But give him credit for NOT calling it rediculous if u like.

Its rediculous to people who work on music, and have devoted their lives to their craft.

it takes business away from a musician who was able to come up with musical bits, and puts it in the hands of people who played guitar hero, instead of learning to play guitar

Its great for the consumer, and the person who doesnt want to bother with learning how to compose or play an instrument, ill grant you that, it's just like downloading music is great for the listener, spotify, is great for the listener, for the musician, it's not so fun.

As was pointed out, its not something new where not being a musician has suddenly become the new norm to make music, but this is a step in a weird direction.

It cuts out all the songwriters and jingle writers, and guys like John "Schick"? Whos talents were in demand, they wont be for long if this continues.


#1079336 - 04/11/15 01:27 PM Re: xhail [Re: Colin Ward]  
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I'm all for technology aiding the composers (in the production process). However, composing is best in the brain of a person, not a computer generating generic imitations. Though not to worry, there will always be enough real composers (using paper & pen) to keep real music alive.

Best, John smile

#1079337 - 04/11/15 01:34 PM Re: xhail [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Not if a business or indie film or jingle house can get an acceptable score from something that would have cost them in the past.

Now they can feel like they came up with the music themselves.

Being able to type in what you would like, is like hiring a songwriter like you and telling them what you would like

It will all depend how good this gets. Many people find Ban in a box perfectly acceptable, i find it ok for basic use, but in band in a box, even if not a musician, you still need to know how chords work, and that you even need a chord, or need a verse, or chorus.

Here you type "give me a piece of music that sounds like outer space, like a google... it comes up. No mystery, no creativity, it's like going to the store and buying a box of cereal.

This is a bit different than "It will be in the hands of the musician", this creates an artifical musical brain.

#1079338 - 04/11/15 01:39 PM Re: xhail [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Maybe ridiculous wasn't the right word.....it's scary. Yes, cgi is great, yes it's nice to know I could have a string section at my fingertips ect........all that's true, but as stated, after spending years learning to play and compose....it's just difficult to accept the rug starting to move. I know there will always be humans desiring art from other humans but......well......it's just coming to a point where it will begin to feel like a waste of time and that's not so great an advance in my world.

I guess it's adapt or fall behind....gahhh.

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#1079339 - 04/11/15 01:45 PM Re: xhail [Re: maccharles]  
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Well in 10, 15, 20 years, rediculous might be an understatement!

I think live music is going to be the backbone of music once again.

it will still be a treat to see somebody performing, playing an instrument, engaging fans.

But recorded music, the kind most people are going to hear online, is going to be done by computers, not people.

ironically, live music might still be the last bastian of income for musicians. That is until robots start performing, and playing the songs people want to hear.

Yikes!

#1079343 - 04/11/15 01:59 PM Re: xhail [Re: Charlie2015]  
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"Not if a business or indie film or jingle house can get an acceptable score from something that would have cost them in the past"

There will always be consumers shopping in the Bargain Basement; however, these generic imitations will eventually burn out except for usage in the most inferior endeavors. I watched the video, and wasn't impressed with the results. I think Beethoven is puking in his grave.

John smile

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We can only hope that is the case. I dont know though, drum software has become pretty darned convincing. Imagine no programing, give me an ACTUAL buddy rich rhtyhm...voila

Yeah I think Beethoven was nauseaous when "Punching IN" became a reality. "What, I dont need to be perfect? I can record this a 1000 times before i get it right?


#1079349 - 04/11/15 02:21 PM Re: xhail [Re: Charlie2015]  
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And a lyric writer will be around the corner.

The human brain is just a series of random firings that are organized like a filing system.

When we are creating something, it's not coming from anywhere special, the brain is doing it. However much room your brain has to store creative possibilities and retrive them when needed, is how creative you are.

A computer can be programed with endless amounts of words and can use thousands or lyrics as guides.

The next Bob Dylan may well be a microsoft product!

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The brain is the heart & soul of a human being. Something a computer will never have.

#1079353 - 04/11/15 02:41 PM Re: xhail [Re: Charlie2015]  
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This may usher in More Singer Songwriters on a stool in a bar as THAY won't be able to be replaced by a computer. It's like it is hard to send a Plumbers job overseas to Asia...BUT Things are changing really fast and who knows where it will end.

WHY BUY A CAR I HAVE A HORSE

Well your horse will get run over by the car.

The Revenge of the Machines and the Geeks that make them...

Individual ARTISTIC expression coming from your Soul MAY be hurt by this though and that is not good depending on your point of view....It is mostly about cheaper labor costs and that is going on all over the world....a race to the bottom. How much Profit does Apple make on an I Phone made in China....it's astronomical AND they make them just as good for much cheaper. It is really not fair to make Americans compete against a dollar an hour worker who is just as good BUT what can we do? If we were designing things from scratch now for our Country it might be different but the cows out of the barn now with International Corporations not giving a hoot about OUR Workers...it's all about the next quarters profits.....and In MY OPINION I don't think this Story ends WELL. A train wreck is coming and it will be really bad....just not exactly sure HOW it plays out.

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true, but what comes out of our mouths or is written down is just the result of that.

When somebody plays a scale, that is all pre preprogramed in their brain, what we end up hearing is just the scale.

A computer wont need "Soul" it will just spew out words.

And if we can tell a computer to create us a a song that sound s like man walking on the moon, then we call tell it to write us a lyric, in a story style about a honky tonk bar in Texas, and it might be more finely tuned and detailed, than a human might write it.

The human will still ne needed to actually know WHAT to write about, but if you take modern pop for a minute, a computer generated lyric might be preferable

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Dear computer,

Please scan all over today's news, and pick a relavent story, and then write us a lyric, make it an verse/chorus'verse/chorus structure, and make the second line of each line rhyme

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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
This may usher in More Singer Songwriters on a stool in a bar as THAY won't be able to be replaced by a computer. It's like it is hard to send a Plumbers job overseas to Asia...BUT Things are changing really fast and who knows where it will end.

WHY BUY A CAR I HAVE A HORSE

Well your horse will get run over by the car.

The Revenge of the Machines and the Geeks that make them...

Individual ARTISTIC expression coming from your Soul MAY be hurt by this though and that is not good depending on your point of view....It is mostly about cheaper labor costs and that is going on all over the world....a race to the bottom. How much Profit does Apple make on an I Phone made in China....it's astronomical AND they make them just as good for much cheaper. It is really not fair to make Americans compete against a dollar an hour worker who is just as good BUT what can we do? If we were designing things from scratch now for our Country it might be different but the cows out of the barn now with International Corporations not giving a hoot about OUR Workers...it's all about the next quarters profits.....and In MY OPINION I don't think this Story ends WELL. A train wreck is coming and it will be really bad....just not exactly sure HOW it plays out.


Yeah, we like to think that the world is in love with our thoughts and expression, but with a pretty darned good song generator, which might not be there yet, would anybody notice?

Might have to do a pepsi challenge to see if a listener could tell is a song was written by a human or a computer.

YET, we consciously know its the humanness we are looking for.

So a real person might be more authentic, but will anybody care, so long as they are entertained?

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It you look at the credits for pop songs you'll often see 5 or 6 names. I'm not sure how much work one did over the other.

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Does anybody really care if Barry Bonds did steroids and broke the all time home run record? No Man, I saw Barry hit his 70th! I caught the ball! You cant convince him it was in anyway cheapened.

But to a player who didnt do steroids, he looks upon that in disgust, and thinking if they had done it, they too might be in the record books.

Only other musicans will care when somebody charts the first hit song done by a computer.

the credits might read: Programmed by Theodore Rumminger, algothrythm by Chip Wallinflowers. Database designed by Sony.

I dont know, for me, I dont care if the perosn plays three chords, is out of tune, and makes mistakes, thats the human experience, and while that perosn should work on being better, it still would be morally better than a computer.

Whether it's more entertaining that a computer i dont know.

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Then again, once the generation of peple who played instruments goes away, people may not realize that peple once played and wrote their own songs.

Just like kids have no idea what is was like to listen to a record. When it was all you had, it was the most amazing thing to do. i remember staring at the record spinning and listening.

That would be as interesting as an ant carrying bread to kids today

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So the consensus in here is recording artists will gradually lose all artistic expression and pride and rely on whatever a computer writes for them?

Sorry but I have a hard time believing this one.


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Originally Posted by AaronAuthier
So the consensus in here is recording artists will gradually lose all artistic expression and pride and rely on whatever a computer writes for them?

Sorry but I have a hard time believing this one.



Don't worry Aaron. Nothing will ever replace the heart and soul of the living composer.

John smile

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by AaronAuthier
So the consensus in here is recording artists will gradually lose all artistic expression and pride and rely on whatever a computer writes for them?

Sorry but I have a hard time believing this one.



Don't worry Aaron. Nothing will ever replace the heart and soul of the living composer.

John smile


it already has John. Band in a box will play you a guitar solo, that
Originally Posted by AaronAuthier
So the consensus in here is recording artists will gradually lose all artistic expression and pride and rely on whatever a computer writes for them?

Sorry but I have a hard time believing this one.



People accept the crap music on the radio right now dont they? think they care if a singer uses autotune? think they care if the song is weak or the lyric stinks?

All they care about is how good it sounds and if they can dance to it, how you can think it wont change artistic expression in the future i dont know

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Charlie, you sound like one of those old men who hang out at McDonalds every morning annoying everyone around you because everything now sucks and can't compare to when you were younger. We get it. You don't like new music.

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Originally Posted by AaronAuthier
Charlie, you sound like one of those old men who hang out at McDonalds every morning annoying everyone around you because everything now sucks and can't compare to when you were younger. We get it. You don't like new music.


So u didnt believe it would change artistic impression, I gave u an example where it already has, auto tune, a singer no longer needs to sing in tune, and not even close to in tune

instead of acknowledgeing it, u accuse me of not liking new music.

AAron u write lyrics, I dont think u comprehend what I mean

Were all talking opinions, but dont insult me

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Can you imagine Cher's Believe without autotune? I think it made the song and it's a classic. Autotune hasn't been the doomsday it was claimed to be.

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Originally Posted by AaronAuthier
Can you imagine Cher's Believe without autotune? I think it made the song and it's a classic. Autotune hasn't been the doomsday it was claimed to be.


If a singer doesnt need to be able to sing, why do we need them?

Whether or not its good for sound or not, it's still minimizing the human being.

Its become so standard now that it's accepted. But if you are a great singer, you dont want autotune.

And if you have such a care free attitude, you are the typical reaction that is going to spearhead this.

Auto tune is just the start

Where I draw the line is when the machine writes the song.


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Crap it appears it doesnt even bode well for live musicians

AND, the lyric thingy is already in effect, which can only get worse

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-digital-music-looks-set-to-replace-live-performances/

http://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/te...-tamil-film-lyricists/article5335938.ece

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Hi Mac:

Thanks for sharing. For now, xhail is a score generator with no vocals... at least that is what I derived from the part of the video I watched. (Limited time!)

I did not see a sentence parsed into the "machine" (a collection of software manipulated into a music creating device) but if it can handle more than one word, we are going to be seeing a vocal generator in the not too distant future.

I have no problem with this... except for one fly in the ointment. How do they handle the copyright conundrum? Since this music was generated by human musicians on real instruments, before being "digested" by the xhail system, how can copyright work in this scenario? Maybe they get each musician to sign a "work for hire" agreement before each individual "track" of a single instrument is "fed" into the "machine."

If allowed to be "mainstreamed" unchecked... will this eliminate copyright altogether? How will this "product" (the tune generated by xhail after hearing a single word) be marketed?

Several words enter the picture as this thing morphs into our daily lives: Exciting, troubling, extinct (musicians, songwriters and vocalists) and mind-boggling.

Can't wait to see how all this plays out.

Thanks again, Mac, for sharing. Where can I get one and what does it cost?

Regards,

Dave

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"The computer can do the same thing" _ Patrick

A computer can’t “feel”. It has no heart and never will. Music reflects the composer’s emotions. Music is emotion – in which a computer has none. Creativity goes beyond any computer’s capability. It may spit out generic music, geared for an audience of mindless, brainwashed zombies, but won’t replace the heart and soul of man’s limitless imagination. Technology serves well in the production of music, but will never replace man’s unique mind.

John smile

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A computer can be programmed to "Feel" we can already program a musical software to play in swing time, or play in any feel there is.

Are you saying when people post a band in a box demo, it sucks? Its all programmed to feel.

There are drum software that can emulate the players touch nearly to the letter, right up to the strength of the hit, to the actual part of the stick being used.

Feel is already programmed into much musical tools, its only goin to improve. And believe me, I dont want it to be true any more than you do, but...

)





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(*And yet a computer has no feelings to know this is as beautiful as we might apreciate!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PczDLl92vlc

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kuY3BrmTfQ

Scary comment * brentusfirmus 7 months ago
It always surprises me to see that so many people think that music has anything at all to do with emotion.

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Pop Songs are right around the corner!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-_9zSSQK3o

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Originally Posted by Patrick M
A computer can be programmed to "Feel" we can already program a musical software to play in swing time, or play in any feel there is.

Are you saying when people post a band in a box demo, it sucks? Its all programmed to feel.

There are drum software that can emulate the players touch nearly to the letter, right up to the strength of the hit, to the actual part of the stick being used.

Feel is already programmed into much musical tools, its only goin to improve. And believe me, I dont want it to be true any more than you do, but...

)


You misinterpreted me Patrick. When I speak of "feel" it isn't referring to the production of music, it's referring to the music itself. And a computer will never "feel" - never feel what a human heart & mind feels. A computer will never have the heart, soul, and creativeness of a Beethoven or Gershwin.

John smile

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Hey Pat.....I Like your lyric....is it a song?
There is really nothing that anybody can do about HOW things are going. It just IS what it IS......
I still enjoy going to a small bar or coffee house and see one guy or gal on a stool doing their original Song. At least that will be harder to replace.
B

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Originally Posted by John Lawrence Schick
Originally Posted by Patrick M
A computer can be programmed to "Feel" we can already program a musical software to play in swing time, or play in any feel there is.

Are you saying when people post a band in a box demo, it sucks? Its all programmed to feel.

There are drum software that can emulate the players touch nearly to the letter, right up to the strength of the hit, to the actual part of the stick being used.

Feel is already programmed into much musical tools, its only goin to improve. And believe me, I dont want it to be true any more than you do, but...

)


You misinterpreted me Patrick. When I speak of "feel" it isn't referring to the production of music, it's referring to the music itself. And a computer will never "feel" - never feel what a human heart & mind feels. A computer will never have the heart, soul, and creativeness of a Beethoven or Gershwin.

John smile


Ok gotcha, well that is the scary part my friend, we are finding out alot of things that are just concrete and nothing lofty or spiritual about.

it may be the certain pieces of music trigger emotions due to the waves of the music stimulating the brain, not that the music took you anywhere special.

Humans just had a different more organic way of doing it, computers can do it more logically, and maybe more effectively.

Just like robotic surgery might be way better than a real surgeon, but our minds would trust the human being more.

it's easy to write off these piece of music, but I submit to you, that if somebody didn't know what it was, they might easily believe it is a missing Bach Piece.

I find it all a bit disturbing, maybe that will change in time


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Originally Posted by Barry David Butler
Hey Pat.....I Like your lyric....is it a song?
There is really nothing that anybody can do about HOW things are going. It just IS what it IS......
I still enjoy going to a small bar or coffee house and see one guy or gal on a stool doing their original Song. At least that will be harder to replace.
B


So do I, but thats cause this hasnt happened in a world wide way, only one guy doing it.

but imagine when somebody gets the idea of boxing the capability, where anybody can go to a music store and buy it like band in a box.

I like to think that there will always be someting special about a human writing and playing a song, but maybe that is just human arrogance, much like us believing there is no other life forim out there.

Id say music is safe for now, but these little steps are headed somewhere disturbing.

No, I havent recorded it, I did have a musical idea for it a while back, but moved on to the next piece, and I wrote this before either of these softwares were available!

Im like Dylan, i see things way ahead of their time LOLLL J.k.

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Man has free will, a computer doesn’t, it’s programmed. No contest – unless someday a human brain can be wired into a computer, the computer will remain a lifeless entity – only to serve man.

John smile

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What do you do in the real world? Actually I wonder what everybody HERE does in the real world..lol

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But if you program it with enough possibilities, somebody with musical and computer smarts, can create a product where a user doesnt need EITHER ability, band in a box only has so many style sets, but if you could rogram a musical system to randomly geneate sveral million possibilities, both lyrically and musically, you might have something.

Micrsoft made it possible for us to be talking here, the techie side of it was far too complex, but when it was made user friendly, it became a world changer.

Man will always be able to write songs, but with "great" being subjective, like most of the stuff on the radio people think stinks, so there is no telling if people will like it.

They probably will like some and not others, just like all music

You can also program a robot to cry or to laugh, and know when each was appropiate

Interesting article. I must go and get some work done before banned again!

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/news/money/2015/03/10/future-near-artificial-intelligence/24722239/

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"You can also program a robot to cry or to laugh, and know when each was appropriate" - Patrick


But not to "feel" sad, happy, lonely, miserable, joy, enthusiasm, pleasure, grief, depression, etc., etc… thus, the essential ingredient a composer adds to his/her music.

John smile

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Maybe I should forego all the work of actually "playing" and switch to something like this ....save me the time.

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