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#1047364 - 05/10/14 12:47 AM Love Without Measure  
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Hello, JPFers! It’s been a lonnng time since I posted a lyric here, so I thought I’d toss one up and see where it lands! I did FAWM in February, but this one wasn’t part of it. lol So much to do with those, but good thing writing is an ongoing process! wink

I have some melody ideas for this lyric, so it’d be great to see how some objective eyes perceive it....if it connects with itself, flow, interest...etc...before I go any further. Thanks for your comments/suggestions! smile

*EDIT May 10th: I'm playing around with a few lines…so I've put them in blue to compare. I like to see what I had and *test* new ideas inside the lyric.

Love Without Measure

Where did the love end
Where do you go from here
Hope has no name when
You’re crying thru cloudy tears

How will you move on
How will you find some peace
Life can feel so wrong
When it’s dragging you thru the weeds OR ----When there is no harmony

And you’ll sink or swim, but you have to begin

[ch]
To love without measure
Soak in the pleasures
Give what you think you need
Sing for a moment
Attend to what’s broken
Play the piano keys
And love without measure
Love without measure

Why do you scramble
Why do you run away OR -----Why do the blues steal the days
Hearts tumble then tangle
But there is no one to blame

You can be happy OR What makes you happy
Take one breath at a time OR What makes the time fly by
Vast hills and valleys
Hold diamonds beneath the vines

Repeat lift, ch

[br]
A gift is a gift
There’s no meter stick
Forget what you think you know
Just grab the oars and row

Repeat lift, ch

©2014 Kristi McKeever


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#1047382 - 05/10/14 03:05 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Kristi McKeever]  
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Hi Kristi,

It's so nice to see you back and posting!!! YAY!!!

As I read this, I thought ... it's quite lovely and delicate! Really pretty write!

One thing that struck me was the "sink or swim" line. It seems like a contradiction to say that even if you sink, you have to begin to love without measure, because sinking seems like...you've sunk already. Or, read another way, it looks like even if you love without measure, you might still sink. Which, I guess, is true, but I don't think that's the intent here. Maybe just a slight rewording?

I thought that the gift line came a little bit out of left field, even though I really like the whole bridge!
Lisa









#1047389 - 05/10/14 04:26 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Lisa Gundling]  
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Good concept,lyric and use of words. I enjoyed this very much. As good as this is, I imagined that if you could have used a music or piano metaphor throughout the verses, it would really bring the chorus home when dealing with the "measure" aspect. Just a thought. Regardless, nice work.

#1047395 - 05/10/14 05:47 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: L. James Tanner]  
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Hi Kristi
I like this one it holds hope for the future but this line I think doesn't fit in with the singers feelings" Why do you run away " as she/he isn't running, just trying to move on, a difference
Or at least that's how I read it lol
Best of luck with it
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#1047399 - 05/10/14 06:24 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Travis david]  
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I like it. It shows how vulnerable we can be when love is no longer there. Here is my favorite line:

"Just grab the oars and row"


#1047413 - 05/10/14 08:23 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Jim Colyer]  
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i really like this Kristi,nice write.Sinking doesn't bother me cause i've learned to swim underwater!

#1047431 - 05/11/14 01:55 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Lisa Gundling]  
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Hi Lisa!

Thanks for your nice reply! Hmm….reading what you wrote about the "sink or swim" line and it's swimming around in my head! grin I think I see what you're saying and I'll think on that a bit...

It's good to hear your thoughts on how the bridge struck you as well. It's fun and enlightening to see how a line is perceived….it's very helpful to the writing process, I find!

Thanks for taking the time to read over the lyric!

Kristi


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#1047435 - 05/11/14 02:13 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: L. James Tanner]  
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Originally Posted by L. James Tanner
Good concept,lyric and use of words. I enjoyed this very much. As good as this is, I imagined that if you could have used a music or piano metaphor throughout the verses, it would really bring the chorus home when dealing with the "measure" aspect. Just a thought. Regardless, nice work.


Thank you so much for your comments. It's funny, those "music" lines were added to the chorus after the verses as I wanted to make it *different*. I think it's an interesting idea to link that concept. I am playing around with a few lines to see how it might gel together. Great thoughts! Really appreciate it!

Kristi


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if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What a man can be,
he must be. -- Abraham Maslow, American Psychologist
#1047437 - 05/11/14 02:17 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Travis david]  
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Originally Posted by Travis david
Hi Kristi
I like this one it holds hope for the future but this line I think doesn't fit in with the singers feelings" Why do you run away " as she/he isn't running, just trying to move on, a difference
Or at least that's how I read it lol
Best of luck with it
Travis


Hi Travis….thank you for your thoughts. I had a reasoning in my head for the "run away" line, but I'm already tossing in new ideas to help it all connect, and that line is one of them. Good to know how it felt to you…appreciate your time in reading and commenting!

Kristi


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#1047445 - 05/11/14 02:46 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Jim Colyer]  
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Originally Posted by Jim Colyer
I like it. It shows how vulnerable we can be when love is no longer there. Here is my favorite line:

"Just grab the oars and row"


Oh! I'm so glad to hear that is your favorite line! I was debating that line! I appreciate your thoughts very much! smile

Kristi


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#1047448 - 05/11/14 02:48 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Michael LeBlanc]  
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Originally Posted by Michael LeBlanc
i really like this Kristi,nice write.Sinking doesn't bother me cause i've learned to swim underwater!


grin Funny! Well, you know, I've always thought swimming is a valuable skill to acquire! Thank you for your nice comments!

Kristi


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#1047476 - 05/11/14 12:42 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Kristi McKeever]  
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Hello Kristi. Long time no see for sure. Like me you dropped off for a while and like me you came back.

This it is coming along nicely. The suggestion so far have been very helpful and I am looking forward to the final re-write. Keep us posted.

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#1047494 - 05/11/14 03:58 PM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Douglas Murphy]  
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Kristi,
Looks like a fine start. The use of "you" feels generic as is. Maybe you could personalize it some for the singer.

pleasures/measure makes for a great hook line. Could even go full bore positive, downright sappy if you wanted.

Have fun,
John


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#1047523 - 05/12/14 01:57 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Kristi McKeever]  
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Kristi--

Glad to see a new post--

What you have is OK as a start with me--After reading several times, I keep asking why this lyric is HOWLING: Love without Pleasure!

May be another song, also--

So many souls are trapped for so many reasons in LOVE WITHOUT PLEASURE--Just thinking out loud!

Write on girl--

Mackie

#1047613 - 05/13/14 12:03 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Douglas Murphy]  
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Originally Posted by Douglas Murphy
Hello Kristi. Long time no see for sure. Like me you dropped off for a while and like me you came back.

This it is coming along nicely. The suggestion so far have been very helpful and I am looking forward to the final re-write. Keep us posted.

douglas


Yes, it's been awhile! I can't believe how fast time goes by….I may not always post, but I try to keep writing…it's what we must do! smile

Thanks for reading and commenting on this….I'm continuing to work on it…we shall see how it goes…

Kristi


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#1047619 - 05/13/14 12:35 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: John Hoffman]  
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Originally Posted by John Hoffman
Kristi,
Looks like a fine start. The use of "you" feels generic as is. Maybe you could personalize it some for the singer.

pleasures/measure makes for a great hook line. Could even go full bore positive, downright sappy if you wanted.

Have fun,
John


Hi John,

Good suggestions. Overall in my mind it's a positive message as one person tries to motivate another…I don't give any more details than that, that's true. I am going over it all for things like that, so your comments are helpful. I hear the chorus as very definitive….intended to be a positive swing at life with music that reflects that…just how far is a good question!

Always fun to think of the possibilities! Thanks for your suggestions! smile

Kristi


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#1047620 - 05/13/14 12:45 AM Re: Love Without Measure [Re: Mackie H.]  
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Originally Posted by Mackie H.
Kristi--

Glad to see a new post--

What you have is OK as a start with me--After reading several times, I keep asking why this lyric is HOWLING: Love without Pleasure!

May be another song, also--

So many souls are trapped for so many reasons in LOVE WITHOUT PLEASURE--Just thinking out loud!

Write on girl--

Mackie


Hi Mackie,

Nice to see you!

Hey, now there's a hook: "Love without Pleasure" wink

That would be another song, I think. Feel free to pen that one! It's good to hear the "thinking out loud" thoughts because the best ideas come from the brain churning out ideas and not editing itself in the process!

Thanks for stopping in and sharing your thoughts!

Kristi


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