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If you are interested, contact dcortese@platinum1.com

Danie,

If the way you've promoted your own services are what someone could expect by hiring you.. no thanks. You supplied no info, nothing of value to make someone want to do business with you nor did you even explain the point of your post or anything else. You failed your own audition here. Try again or move on to sites that don't pay attention to what people post.

Brian

Hey Brian,

That thing at the bottom is a link to their webpage. I clicked on it and got all the information I wanted to know. Did you expect to have a breakdown of everything in a forum post? I know I wouldn't. Don't be so lazy next time.

Sorry to rant, but I hate it when people are so quick to shut down advertisements in forums. These forums are made for independent people such as myself to promote themselves for free. They are made to promotoe, whether it be music, a service, or a company.

If you took the little bit of energy to move your mouse down the page and click on their webpage, you would see the great business concept they had come up with. It's the pro-indie companies like this that help starving artists such as myself. Don't be so quick to jump on people next time Brian.

Jeff,

When someone posts an ad one time and then moves on (usually never to be heard from again), that's called spam. If they joined the group, contributed for a while and then offered their services to the community (and not just a link) then we'd all be a bit more receptive.

And the fact that you call Brian lazy means that you have absolutely no idea who he is. Next time just move your mouse a little and find out.

Hey JeffC,

Lazy doesn't set up, monitor and organize a forum page for people like you to be able to post on. Lazy doesn't try to organize an awards competetion for independant artists to be recognized for their hard work. Lazy doesn't go around the country organizing show-cases for independant artists to get together and network and show their talents to others. Shall I continue!

I think you should appologize profusely to Brian. Without his hard work you wouldn't have been able to post your negative comments.


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ric4music
"Have Guitar, Will Travel"

[This message has been edited by ric4music (edited 07-31-2006).]

Here's the funniest thing. DCE and JeffC are the same person with the same IP address.

The only thing more lame than the spam at the top of this post is when the same person tries to pretend to be someone else but can't even make sure their IP address changes. Jeff.. er Danie.. er whoever you are.. move on now before you dig your hole any deeper.

PS: It's especially humorous for you to tell me what my own board is supposed to be used for.

Brian

Here's the funniest thing. DCE and JeffC are the same person with the same IP address.

I thought that might be the case. Man, that is weak.

Wow! Should be a song about how lame that is! Oh, there is,,,,well, with a twist, Need cowriters please to continue it:

You're so Lame
I bet you thought your post wasn't about you!
Brian found out, (you're so lame)
I bet you thought we go and then join you
Join you, join you

Well you......

How did i know it was the same person so easy without checking?
It has all happened before.
forums are actually set up by folks and they decide what they want on the forums.
Lazy is not one word i can ever imagine being applied to brian Bloke.
You just saved me the time of wating my time going to look at your site.
I'm moving on.
Probably you should too.
Graham

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http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/grahamhenderson_music.htm

Eh, Danie is a female. Jeff is probably her significant other.

Horrible website, IMO.

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Miltenberger Homes

I couldn't find any terms onher site, poked around a little & found this:

Easy Background Check: Modeling Industry Scams Watchdog: Modeling Agency Complaints, Reviews, Model News and Information:

Danie Cortese Entertainment (http://dejablues.homestead.com/main.html)
November 4, 2004

[Last Updated: November 11, 2004]

Why do you charge upfront fees and recurring monthly fees?

5. In consideration of Agent's services, Client agrees to pay, by certified cheque or draft made payable to Danie Cortese Entertainment Inc. an administration fee of $53.50/month to remain on the roster. In addition, the Agent shall be entitled to receive the following percentages of all gross earnings received for the Clients services in the following capacities:

Playwright, Screenwriter, Theater : 10%
Actor, Dancer, Host, Singer - tv, film : 15%
Literary Author, Model, Website : 20%.

7. A one time start up cost of $107.00 is required upon signing of this agreement. Several hours will go into preparing and requesting several necessary documents and information and this cost is to be used for that purpose. In other words, the Agents time involved. All monies to be paid in American currency. The initial payment pertaining to the first signing must be in the form of a certified cheque or draft made payable to the full company name.



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In order to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, think about the guy who invented sliced bread. He didn’t invent bread, he didn’t invent slicing. He just put together two things that hadn’t been put together before in a way people liked.

Thought I'd bring this back since there was a question about it on our site. Anyone considering doing business with someone who LIES about who they are on this site (since JeffC and DCE were one and the same person though certainly implied they weren't) shouldn't be trusted. Period.

Brian

I forgot how funny this way. First, the way the obvious same person, (Canada-Toronto,,,first post who just happened to find a fellow Canadian that got called on bad promo work), proceeded to talk to you as if you were some dweeb with no clue of anything, (not that there's anything wrong with dweebs). I may have been one a few times earlier in my life. ??

BUT to NOT use someone else's computer to do their dumb, lame, and not investigative defense of them self, is something that should be in that show, "The dumbest people", (or something like that,where people try to commit crimes, but are so stupid at it, they capture themselves! Priceless! This was like that!

Maybe they, I mean he or she went to mega success though!........ Naaaaa

Thanks for the second laugh about it all.

Now, Brian,,,,stop being so lazy and maybe even just listen to ONE song off ONE CD! Geezz,,,,it's the least you can do!
Ha!

John

Hey John, here's another version...

You walked onto our website,
Like you were walking onto a yacht,
Yes Brian could see your IP,
You were caught right on the spot,
Well you tried to pull a fast one,
Now you're acting like a tot,
And all the while he could see that DCE,
Was the same as Sir JeffC,

Where's your brain,
I guess you know this post is about you,
Where's your brain,
You thought that you just pulled a fast one,
Don't you, don't you.

Here's the post that started it all!

Folks,

If you surf the web and find this post while considering whether or not to use the services above, keep in mind her dishonesty here.

Also keep in mind if you read glowing reports from people supporting her, they may well be her or people working on her behalf to clean up her reputation on the web. Use some common sense. Read this post and also this other post (linked below) and consider someone who is being honest in their representation. You see above how lazily and ineffectively she represented her own company, imagine what she'd be able to do for you if that's the best she could do for herself?

Most message boards are not closely monitored and people can get away with dishonest BS like the above. Please never accept what is found on Page 1 of a Google search or even page 2 without looking much deeper. There are many companies that scrub the net and flood it with posts that will push down legit criticism. Look deeper and learn more from people who don't want your money but instead just don't want you to get ripped off.

Another Danie Cortese post on this site.
http://www.jpfolks.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1016141&page=0#Post1016141

Brian

Maybe DCE is just a schizophreniac and not playing the roles of two different people?

Are there any more of you in there DCE. If so, let John know.

Sorry guys, I just couldn't help myself.

Have to step in here and say that you might be right, but you might also be wrong here.


Now I know that its easy to create a fake on line persona, but this person appears to me to be putting an awful lot of claims out there that are very easy to verify. She names names and it would be far too easy to ask random clients for their experiences.

https://www.facebook.com/daniecorteseentertainment

http://www.daniecorteseent.com/


She also has a hard address, easy to find...


http://www.yellowpages.ca/bus/Ontario/Maple/Danie-Cortese-Entertainment-Publicity-Inc/6917170.html


If she is NOT legit, I'm not sure you would be able to find out where she does business....which by the way is out of her house, an unassuming duplex with a minivan parked in front


A telling indicator for me is that this post first appeared in 2006 and she is still in business with the same name...sharks would have long ago changed their names and addresses because they burned up their "goodwill".


If she IS legit, the "value for money", ie her results, are what matters.


Bottom line, it is still caveat emptor. Given that she names her clients, contact them directly and ask about their experience.


I have a tremendous amount of respect for Brian and his mission to keep the sharks at bay..., but maybe this is a situation that does not need such a dog on a bone condemnation

Personally, I could not trust someone that has pretended to be someone else. Brian has pointed out that she also joined under a pseudonym JeffC) and posted in support of herself.

If she can be devious like that, then how can she be trusted to publicise anyone's work. I will only do business with honest people and dce/JeffC has proven not to be one of them.

Don't get me wrong, I have no dog in this fight ...but in the interest of fairness, JUST because it was the same IP address does not prove anything.


IDENTICAL IP addresses only means she has her own server on site or hosted. It says nothing about the actual person who is logged in. Perhaps a client was in her office and decided to support her...maybe it was a staff member...maybe it WAS her using another name.

I have to ask myself why she has not returned to defend herself as first person?

Is there a possibility that she doesn't think we deserve an explanation?

So come on dce, if your still watching this thread, lets hear what you have to say about all this speculation?

She has come back Ray. And her minions/pseudonyms have as well. She came back to show us her credentials by listing a "who's who" which wikipedia used as their prime example of vanity/scam. Look it up on the other post.

As for longevity of scams, are you really suggesting there aren't a long list of hucksters who have preyed on newbies who didn't know any better for decades? Really? Ever register a copyright which is swiftly followed by contacts from companies with names that sound like famous movie studios or record labels (but not quite) praising your work as if they had even heard it and suggesting expensive demos and other useless services for way over market value prices and suckering newbies into wasting their money?

I am not sure where your support of her suddenly comes from, do you have experience working with her? Are you willing to place your endorsement behind her work? I exposed what she did. It is up to the readers to make up their own minds. We allowed her to come here in her own name to engage. Not many sites would allow that. And our boards are simply one of many with similar complaints and stories. Even her supporter on here sent me an email and recanted his support.

By the way, every time someone new posts on here, it brings it further up the page rankings in search results.

Brian

I'm glad that you are on the ball Brian. There are too many unscrupulous sharks on the internet that prey on innocent victims.

Humm,
I looked at her Web Site the first time today 4 August 2013. She lists as a past Client, THE BEACH BOYS. As she appears to be a Promoter you would need to already be up and running and already have a good Track Record to partake of her, or someones simular services. In other words let the buyer Beware.

Brian said
"I am not sure where your support of her suddenly comes from, do you have experience working with her? Are you willing to place your endorsement behind her work? I exposed what she did. It is up to the readers to make up their own minds. We allowed her to come here in her own name to engage. Not many sites would allow that. And our boards are simply one of many with similar complaints and stories. Even her supporter on here sent me an email and recanted his support. "


Where do you get the notion I supported her? In fact I say it is still caveat emptor and check the references she is so liberally hands out. But I also, in the interest of fairness, point to certain things that indicate she may not be as evil incarnate as you maintain.


Brian said
"By the way, every time someone new posts on here, it brings it further up the page rankings in search results"


You're the one who resurrected this 5 year old post....don't blame me now for responding to it



And Ray, The Beach Boys in their many incarnations have played here many a time. You state she is a promotor...but she claims to be a publicist as well...so MAYBE she had a contract to publicise one of their concerts...

John,
Your Computer Broke? I said, LET THE BUYER BEWARE. I didn't give an endorsment. I will remind you of the famous words of P.T. Barnum.

we're on the same page Ray...not sure if you saw the first part was directed at Brian (the parts in quotes comes from his post above) and only the last two lines was a response to you.

I clarified the post. Sorry for the confusion.

John,

If someone acts in a dishonest or misleading way, is caught red handed, then comes here as themselves and uses, as their proof of legitimacy, a well known vanity scam credential site, yet they are able to ensnare unknowing victims who are just getting started into their clutches to take their money because you are softening the blow, then that is on you, not us. It was clear by their own example here they weren't even good at promoting themselves, suggesting that people would be wasting their money if that was their level of professionalism and honesty and ability.

Folks, PLEASE continue to do research, learn when you really NEED to hire a promoter and why (not many people really need a promoter, it's one of the last things you should consider spending money on and only when you're having success, doing regular shows, having widespread success which needs to be further promoted, THAT is when you might need to spend some money. But they won't drum up demand for you if there isn't already demand out there. They simply help get the word out once people are buying what you do already and you want it to spread wider or to tell them about a tour etc. By the time you need a promoter, you should be making enough money to pay for it with your earnings from your music, not your savings account. You should also probably have a TEAM of people helping you already. (See Mike Dunbar's article on having a "Team" on the Mentor board.

Please don't waste your money on dishonest companies.

Brian