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#996517 - 02/19/13 04:27 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: ]  
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Yep, keeping up with tech specs is a pain in the ass. When I purchsed the Hollywood Strings I had to add 4 more gigs to my Mac. Now I'm Mac'd-out. grin

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#996552 - 02/19/13 06:19 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: John Lawrence Schick]  
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Did you run the Sonar as "Run As Administrator" Those serial number/registration keys don't always work without that -- even in Vista and Windows 7.


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#996591 - 02/19/13 09:29 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: ]  
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Originally Posted by Carl_B
Do you know this worked

When I installed dimension pro a few weeks back for sonar X1, I needed to run it in "Run As Administrator" mode to take the registration key. There is a FAQ or something on that -- the cakewalk rep really should have known that.

Searching the internet I found zero discussions on Sonar 8.x and windows 8 -- which I thought was kinda weird.


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#998016 - 03/02/13 09:41 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Kevin Emmrich]  
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I have to agree that the cakewalk rep was wrong but I would have to say a lot of the blame goes to windows. Windows 8 is a totally new audio engine than windows 7 and that's a different audio engine from Vista.

I personally think since the new windows developer was from apple they have taken a step towards apple's idea of keeping things propriatory. I bought an acer tablet with keyboard a year ago with win 7 and when I checked how it would work with win 8 they said I might have issues with the touch screen. Kind of weird when you consider that the Iconia was the first tablet to make a keyboard as a part of it and tablets like the new microsoft one are more or less cosmetic copies of the iconia.

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#998033 - 03/03/13 01:15 AM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Sue Rarick]  
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Sue these sort of things get me mad......Windows has consistently brought out new systems that do not support old hardware, drivers or programs. The first rule when developing something new is to make sure it works properly and is compatible with the old systems. Vista was a nightmare... it took years to sort out "teething" problems.
Many manufacturers simply gave up and withdrew support simply because they could not keep up with the new systems and were given little or no help from Windows......despite spending a fortune trying. Windows 7 also had problems with drivers etc especially the 64 bit system.
My nephew is a software expert and works for a company who provides IT solutions for large companies and corporations..... his full time job is producing hotfixes for the various Windows issues his company uncovers. He is sick of the many problems that are inbuilt in the various Windows systems. Many according to him are just basic bad programming and schoolboy errors.
He reckons that they know how to easily improve but refuse. Here is an article explaining why he dislikes the Windows system. http://www.vanwensveen.nl/rants/microsoft/IhateMS_2.html
He is a Linux fan and although working with Windows on a daily basis he prefers a Mac for his own personal use.
I have been fiercely pro Windows but recently have changed my mind a bit. That said I am too set in my ways to change.

#998601 - 03/07/13 06:07 AM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Seems to me your gripe should be with Windows? I'm not sure software companies have an obligation to update their legacy software to run on new OSs?

I have S8.5 and it runs great on Windows 7, even though it was developed on XP. Sonar is now 2 mature generations beyond 8.5. I just don't see this as a Sonar issue.


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#1000120 - 03/18/13 08:43 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Ian Ferrin]  
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I still use Windows Vista. Although it seems like you always have to wait for the service pack on a new OS for them to get it right.

As far as using Windows for recording... I use two seperate cards. One is an Echo 12 24/192 and the other is an X-Fi Forte 24/96. I haven't found a limit to what I can record once I upped the audio cards. I also use a high end nividia video card. Generally you have to upgrade at least your audio card unless you just do simple instrument/vocal recordings.

The upgraded audio and video cards still make a PC more affordable than a Mac.

#1000220 - 03/19/13 09:48 AM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Ian Ferrin]  
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Originally Posted by Ian Ferrin
Seems to me your gripe should be with Windows? I'm not sure software companies have an obligation to update their legacy software to run on new OSs?

I have S8.5 and it runs great on Windows 7, even though it was developed on XP. Sonar is now 2 mature generations beyond 8.5. I just don't see this as a Sonar issue.


That is exactly where my gripe lies.......I have an old Mbox interface that used to work with XP and with a lot of hassle I could get it to run on Vista....now it is completely obsolete because it will not run at all on 7....the support has been withdrawn.....simply because Windows cannot be bothered to develop new systems that work with old stuff. I also have a gripe about Windows rushing through new operating systems that are not fully developed and have many issues. They then cannot sort out bugs and are constantly refusing to supply fixes. It is the old story .......once you have created a monopoly you can then do what you want....leaving the customer hanging out to dry.

#1000304 - 03/19/13 08:37 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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Jim - M-audio /avid is notorious for their lack of support. I have an Echo 12 and I just checked and they have all the drivers for Win- 8. They cover everything XP/ Vista/ Win 7 and Win 8...M-audio stops supporting a product as soon as they bring out a replacement for an item.

Microsoft definitely has its issues but a lot of the time they get blamed for other companies actions.

#1000305 - 03/19/13 09:24 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Sue Rarick]  
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I understand BUT surely when bringing out a new system there should be provision made to ensure that old hardware still can work. It should not be up to other companies to supply a fix but for new Microsoft systems to be compatible with ITS OWN older systems.
Imagine a company bringing out a new amp with new types of sockets that do not fit or work with a standard XLR or Jack.....people would not buy it and go for a brand that is compatible and hassle free....with Microsoft we have no choice it they change things....and boy do they change things even when they are not broken.

#1000313 - 03/19/13 10:24 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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http://common-sense-cowboyslim.blogspot.com/2012/11/if-it-works-dont-fix-it.html

It's not just Microsoft. This problem is becoming more and more the norm. I was taught backward compatibility when I studied programming in college. Apparently, someone figured out that philosophy was not compatible with the business model they all seem to have adopted. "Make things obsolete, we can make more money from repeat sales..." seems to be the way they're thinking now. My suggestion, and it IS what I've done, get a good used, second-generation computer (I chose a Pentium 4--it cost me $100), build it up as a stand-alone. If you know the software, and you know the hardware, you are not beholden to the geek squad. We've done it for years with other products. I don't go buy a new hammer every time the hammer company makes a "new, improved" hammer. My old one still pounds nails just fine. And how many of you out there ABSOLUTELY NEED 128 tracks? I have found, even with an entire drum kit mic-ed individually, twenty-four tracks is way more than enough. I can DO 128, but how often am I going to get that gung ho?
The advantages to a stand-alone system are numerous. No viruses. No bugs. No spyware. A dedicated hard drive, with just MUSIC on it. You can always hook up an external modem, if you are convinced that you need Internet or even telephonic communication. And, you can UNplug it when you're through. I've found it easier to not use my recording machine on the Internet, simply copy my finished files to a thumb drive and use my Internet computer for that. JMHO


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#1000397 - 03/20/13 12:44 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: CowboySlim]  
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While I personally can't stand the way Win 8 is set up, The Pro version has Win 7 bundled with it. Win 7 was compatible with Vista and Vista was compatible with XP.

Apple stopped developing firewire 1394 and there is no apple support for it, yet the companies making firewire hardware have developed working drivers and there are PCI cards for firewire and Windows still works with them. So yes the companies that supply outside hard and soft ware have a certain obligation to keep up.

I agree with Slim that most people will never use the full capability of their software. I personally record very old school and generally record full tracks and seldom use clips. I may use a lot of tracks before I get the right one but till I get the right take for each part there isn't a single plug-in used, so I'm not overworking my computer. And once I get all the takes done I just keep one or two alternatives and then start to mix the full tracks. I'm not looking for the perfect recording, just the perfect song.(Like that will ever happen)

#1000591 - 03/21/13 08:22 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Sue Rarick]  
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Hi Slim I read your blog and also the reply.....it very much bears out what I am saying. It is surely down to the big boys to ensure that any new technology is backwards compliant. Why should other companies who supply products to work with a given technology have to keep changing their support etc for something that is not broken until somebody from Microsoft or some other biggy company decided to move the goal posts and make changes which all of a sudden make the old products obsolete.

#1006208 - 05/04/13 04:05 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: BIG JIM MERRILEES]  
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I bit the bullet and bought a new PC... an i7 3.4 quad core w/12gb ram (will probably add another 4gb a lil later, Running 2 24/96 sound cards w/ 1 gb ram on each, a nividia gamer graphics card w/ 2 gb ram......and Win 7...... It kicks butt

IMO the guy they brought over from apple to develope Win 8 totally screwed up and I wanted to make sure I got my new computer with Win7 OS. The only issue I've had is that going from 32 bit to 64 I understand there will be a lot of compatibility issues with 32 bit plug-ins. I just don't see the economics to pay for a new custom reverb and some of the higher end plug-ins. Other than that the new system has worked flawlessly once I took the time to upgrade all the drivers.

I did upgrade to Sonar x2 Producer and it works well.

#1009538 - 05/26/13 10:26 AM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Sue Rarick]  
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A bit of additional info... The new computer didn't come with a firewire card so I went out and bought a new one. This led to a few issues (not the card).

1. I use an Echo 12 for my main interface between console and computer. It will run 24/192 on Win 7, but is limited to 24/96 if I had chosen Win 8. I knew they changed the audio engine but apparently not for the better.

2. Before I bought the firewire I sent off e-mails to 3 companies asking about compatibility with Win 7 and Echo 12, only one even bothered to answer. That's the card I bought, but like the Echo 12 itself and the Auzentech soundcard, the companies that did answer the e-mails are also very quick to answer any technical questions I have had. The lesson learned is that if a company won't answer a general question why bother buying their equipment.

3. In relation to the new firewire. I checked the Echo website for FAQ's before buying the card and luckily I did because it had a list of great-OK - bad chipsets. That was the reason for the e-mails sent and it was a good thing because the original card I was thinking of was on Echo's bad chipset list. Instead I went with one of the cards that had a great listing and it's worked flawlessly. It pays to do some research and may explain why someone might have issues even when using a highly rated piece of gear, compatibility.

Ram does rule. I added an extra 4 gigs of ram and that now gives me a total of something like 20 Gigs of useable ram.

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#1009846 - 05/28/13 01:42 PM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Sue Rarick]  
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Aw, Humm,
This kinda reminds me of a airgcraft mechanic trying to remove a propeller but it wouldn't budge. He finally asked a more experenced mechanic what trick he used. After some thought the older mechanic said, you need a bigger hammer ! Case solved.


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#1010286 - 05/31/13 11:45 AM Re: Wont Buy Cakewalk Again [Re: Ray E. Strode]  
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Nothing wrong with using a big hammer. Sticking with the hammer theme; there are people that would use a jewlers hammer to put a roof on their house. While you can applaude their perserverence, their good sense might be in question.


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